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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so on last week's

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episode of the para cast we were talking

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about one of those UFO disclosure

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petitions that coming of course from

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none other than Steve Bassett of the

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paradigm research group who's been a

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guest on the podcast prior to Chris of

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Brian's tenure which we expect will be

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permanent as the co-host of the show but

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that didn't fare too well he got what 10

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12 thousand Sinese and the White House

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had the third assistant flunky

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bureaucrat respond saying now there are

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no spaceships and goodbye nice effort so

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he's trying again what's the story Chris

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well I think he's getting a little bit

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more creative this time gene he's kind

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of drilling in and zeroing in on any

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information I guess that would be tied

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into what was called the Rockefeller

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initiative which is back in the mid 90s

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Laurance Rockefeller made some

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behind-the-scenes inquiries met with

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Hillary Clinton and I think Bill Clinton

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as well and tried to jump-start a

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disclosure process which never really

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went anywhere he did fund a rather

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controversial effort which started out

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as a briefing basically a briefing

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document written by Don Berliner and

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Antonio who næss which was co-opted and

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kind of taken over by Steven Greer who

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then used it for his own purposes this

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whole thing was funded by Lawrence

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Rockefeller and we do know that

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Rockefeller did make some very extensive

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behind-the-scenes inquiries into

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disclosure and the extent of government

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knowledge of the UFO phenomenon so I

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think it's it's a good idea for Bassitt

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to kind of zero in on a particular

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aspect of the disclosure efforts that

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have happened in the past and this would

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be a very good first step I support this

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I you know I wish him all the luck

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because he's gonna need it so clarify

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here he wants them to tell us what they

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know about Lawrence Rockefellers efforts

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yes in other words

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there's a petition out there to fully

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disclose what happened as a result of

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the Rockefeller initiative yeah so the

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question of course is they can either

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admit that it exists but then they're

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not constrained to give us an honest

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appraisal of the results or just say

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well of course the people are inclined

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to reach theories and this person

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attempted to explore something that we

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find evidence for good bye good luck

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I think Bassets approach by targeting

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his his effort to a specific set of

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circumstances and and a topic like the

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Rockefeller initiative I think this is a

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it makes sense strategically and in

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tactically in this effort and I think

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he's he's just gonna become more and

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more of a thorn in their side and he's

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gonna zero in on you know I think the

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elements of the disclose the potential

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disclosure process that have the

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potential of burying you know the most

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fruit quickly and I think this is very

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smart on his part to do this and I I do

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support it and I wish them all the luck

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that he possibly could use because he's

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gonna need it

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well the question is here did he poison

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the pool with his first effort with the

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12,000 signatures because now he needs

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25,000 in order to even be acknowledged

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done this one first and then waited you

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know to do the big blanket sort of

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general petition I think should have

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been done later I think it would have

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had a much better chance of getting the

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required signatures for a broader appeal

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to the White House but again I mean all

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this as you probably suspect and you

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of grandstanding it's forcing the White

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House to make these very disingenuous

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statements yeah so we don't know

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anything about any of this stuff

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and basically they could just Stonewall

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administration's down the road and we're

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not gonna get any closer I think by

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drilling down on specific aspects of the

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historical record of a disclosure effort

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I think I think he has more of a chance

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of possibly getting them to slip up and

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release something but I again I'm not

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holding my breath well that's the

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worrying about the state of the economy

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reelection in 2012 the least item on

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their list of concerns you know will be

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trying to answer questions about some

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Laurance Rockefeller didn't you I did I

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had the distinct honor and pleasure of

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spending one-on-one with him an entire

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weekend with just him and him and I and

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there's not too many people I think in

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the field that can actually say that

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generally when you meet the man it's

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within a group context what have you I

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introduced to him and I must have

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sparked some sort of interest in him

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because he spent the entire afternoon

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and evening with me and invited me back

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to spend the following day I had a

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mutual friends house actually my

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neighbor Hannah strong was the one that

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introduced me to him when I arrived at

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Hannah's house after she told me to drop

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everything I was doing and get get my

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research together and get over there I

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had no idea why she was saying this

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quite out of character for God John Mack

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was leaving her house and I thought I

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blew it I had taken too much time

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because Mack was leaving and I walked

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inside and there's there's Lawrence just

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sitting there smiling so I I had a great

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time I quizzed him up one side down the

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other he was extremely open very

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magnanimous seemed genuinely interested

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ufology and after death

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studies and the ease we spoke for many

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hours on a whole variety of topics of

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course the one that was closest and

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dearest to his heart was a whole crop

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circle phenomenon and he did gift me

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with Michael Glickman's book corn

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circles which I cherished today I think

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it's just a super classic important work

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it's very basic it's very simple it sort

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of lines up and delineates out the the

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growing pattern of complexity within the

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crop circle phenomenon in other words

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how they became more and more complex

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simple circle occurred 1986 and then

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following that progression I just valued

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this book tremendously and I think

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there's amazing clues in there

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but the bottom line is Lawrence was it

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seemed as confused about the extent of

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government knowledge into the UFO

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subject as we are sure he was an insider

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lot of people obviously but I really did

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questioning exactly to what extent the

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government does hold all these secrets

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as people like Bassett and Greer have

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contended and I think it's really

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Lawrence's involvement Antonio who næss

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minds magazine last year about

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Rockefellers involvement ufology which I

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do recommend people look up and read but

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again getting back to Bassett I think

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this is a really smart move on his part

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and I wish him all the luck right now

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we've had our differences with Steven

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brass said I think maybe because he

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tends to overlook the crazies in the UFO

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field and maybe some of his viewpoints

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are expressed a little too vigorously a

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little bit too dogmatically but we'll

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have to see what happens I mean if this

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brings about any realization that

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creates the climate for more serious

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research it's got to be a plus not if

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you're talking about the White House in

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an election year I'm sorry this is the

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third rail toxic subject that will not

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be addressed yeah I agree with you there

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response came we're gonna navigate from

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disclosure and petitions to UFOs in

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wartime we've got a guy named Mac

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Maloney coming next tell us about this

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book I really like this book gene I

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books that have been written in the past

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about UFOs and in regards to the

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military it's chock full of really

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interesting sighting reports going all

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the way back to Alexander's alleged

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encounters in two occasions which I

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didn't know and we all have heard about

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the flying shields encounter supposedly

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but there was another encounter as well

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which he he shows in his book he borrows

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heavily from other writers obviously

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valet who we've had on the show wrote

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the wonderful book with Chris aw Beck

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wonders in the sky but he also leans on

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strange company which is a very very

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interesting book written by a guy named

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Keith Chester which I do also recommend

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it has quite a bit of material in there

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phenomenon so we're gonna have some fun

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today this book is really exciting I

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learned a lot from it some of the cases

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that I kind of remembered reading about

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but forgotten about they're all kind of

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tied together in a nice complete package

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here and we're gonna have some fun

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talking with Mack the book is UFOs a

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wartime the guests Mack Maloney coming

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on the para cast with gene and Chris is

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UFOs in war time are gases Mac Maloney

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when we welcome to the show

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Mac how did you get introduced to doing

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a book about UFOs well it all started

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about three years ago I was at lunch

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with my editor at Penguin Books and I've

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been writing for about twenty years full

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time but up till now all of the books

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that I've done have been fiction

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military fiction in a couple science

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fiction books something like a Tom

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Clancy kind of approach it was you write

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exactly in the Tom Clancy genre Tom

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Clancy is like my godfather if you know

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what I mean my literary Godfather so I

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understand I do know Tom Clancy slightly

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mmm yeah well he if it wasn't for him I

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wouldn't be here right now he really

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opened the door for a lot of people did

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write the kind of military fiction that

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I've been writing for years so he's my

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hero you were writing military fiction

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and science fiction and now you approach

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a factual book so my question is how did

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you transition we were really just

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kicking around ideas and I had told my

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editor that you know I'm always doing

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research on military weapons and

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military history and so on but I've

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always had this interest in UFOs and

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I've read some articles about the Foo

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Fighters and it just occurred to me that

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it seemed like a lot of UFO sightings

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took place during wartime and it was

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just a an idea that just came to me and

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he and I spoke about and he says you

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know really kind of look into that see

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if there's something if there's enough

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to do a book on it and I did look into

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it and it turned out that that there was

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so as I said that was about three years

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ago it probably took about two years

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from beginning to end to research and

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then to write the book and it's coming

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out on December 6 that's a good point to

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mention here this isn't something that

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you just threw together you really did

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your research you said you were

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interested in UFOs before then

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had you read the literature on the

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subject was a casual interest something

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that started when you were a child would

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yeah it started when I was a child I was

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always a big fan of science fiction and

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you know in my mind science fiction and

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UFOs were close cousins let's say I've

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never seen a UFO but my older brother

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who was a lifer in the Air Force saw one

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while he was assigned to an Air Base

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down in Charleston South Carolina

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my wife saw one before we were married I

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know people who have seen them I've

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never seen one but I've always had an

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interest in them which I think a lot of

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a lot of people do so I was just in a

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good position to be able to sit down and

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write a book about them okay so the

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conventional wisdom has it from some

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people that we didn't see UFOs until

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1947 when Kenneth Arnold saw 9 disc

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shaped or crescent shaped objects over

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Mount Ranier in the state of Washington

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but of course there were sightings in

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World War two but that was where they

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began so what was your starting point

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they go way back you know to to the

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Bible well and really throughout history

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I mean you know as you say Arnold he

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just coined the term in 1947 flying

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saucers well it was kind of coined by

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the press but right exactly I'm sure

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right you're right he said they look

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like saucers skipping across a lake or

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something and that turned into flying

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saucers and then that became like the

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catchphrase and all of a sudden you had

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this media storm having to do with

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flying saucers but as you say they were

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seeing they just didn't have that name

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in in World War two and World War one in

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between the Oise all the way back to

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there's a story in the book about

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Constantine the first who was about to

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have a major battle for control of the

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Roman Empire and his he saw what people

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think was a UFO the night before the

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battle and for some reason he

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interpreted that as being that if you

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tell you a warrior's to put crosses on

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their shields you will win this battle

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and that's what he did he won the battle

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and that's the reason Christianity

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became the official religion of the

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Roman Empire so in a way you could say

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that because of a UFO the Christian

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religion you know flourished let me

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interrupt and mention to our audience

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that the particular sighting event

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that you're referring to which is very

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intriguing not a well-known sighting

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event in history was of like a glowing

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or flaming cross in the sky and it was

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that image of the cross that was then

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suggested to be put on the shields which

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then you know dovetails into your story

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but I think it's interesting that we we

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should have an unusually shaped aerial

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object that then becomes the the iconic

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symbol that we are all more than too

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familiar with yeah very interesting

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story but back and that was that

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happened in that 312 ad right now of

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course you mentioned the Bible you

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didn't look at Ezekiel's wheels as

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anything that you might want to include

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in this or because it wasn't during

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quote-unquote wartime well it wasn't

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during one time and you know I think

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that people have seen that story enough

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I really kind of tried to go for stories

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that you know might not have been put

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out there as much you know before some

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of the stories we came across where were

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stories that no one's really heard

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before so right we we just kind of

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didn't go with the Ezekiel's wheel story

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I would like to have you go through the

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two events that Alexander the famous

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Greek conquer on his armies experience

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there is one story that's fairly well

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known in ufology but there's a second

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story that you include in your book that

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I find very fascinating once you give

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our listeners of a good sense of those

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two events well Alexander at the time

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was you know on the verge of conquering

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the known world he was at it in the

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third this is the third century BC he

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was about to cross a river and water

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river when with his army his army

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included lots of men and horses and also

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war elephants and he was about to go

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across this river when these two strange

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aircraft appeared in the sky and started

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spitting out flames from their from

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their rims and doing all this kind of

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stuff and it panicked the fusses of

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Malaya elephants to the point where they

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did not cross the river so lots of

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people apparently a witness this in it

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I'm sure gave him pause then later on he

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was there's a famous story about the

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siege of Tyre and which is in now

501
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present day Lebanon the people there who

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were resisting him

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built a city out in out in the harbor he

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surrounded it and he was he was trying

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to conquer the city of Tyre which people

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had built out in this Harbor and he was

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he was constructing cosway's to allow

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his troops to attack the city as they

509
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were about to do that when they finally

510
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ended this massive construction project

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these flying objects showed up again and

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a couple of them fired on the walls of

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the city knocking down the walls and

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allowed him to I was in de to take over

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the city very strategic victory for him

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interesting story

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well that's a detail that I wasn't aware

518
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of that these objects actually aided in

519
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the bum partment of the city that's

520
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that's a pretty interesting wrinkle

521
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right so basically the UFOs were in that

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particular sense participating in the

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wartime efforts back then right right

524
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yeah once again knew it the first story

525
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they seemed to have been wanting to hold

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him back the second story they came to

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his age so you know it's it's it's

528
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another puzzle of the big UFO puzzle and

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maybe they don't have a prime directive

530
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there when it comes to interfering with

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human history that could raise all sorts

532
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of cans of worms and we're gonna want to

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ask where that takes us oh yeah well the

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book is called UFOs and war time the

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author is max Maloney a reminder

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neighbors that we have a unique way for

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you to participate in the show to ask

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questions of our guests when we can

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schedule them far enough in advance we

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you are tuned in to the para cast let me

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tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

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here that you probably won't hear

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anywhere else

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you're that George Noory the topic on

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discussion is UFOs in wartime going back

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hundreds or thousands of years with Mack

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baloney with gene and Chris on the para

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cast so we were exploring Alexander's

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efforts in wartime and the apparent

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efforts by whatever was piloting the

669
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UFOs to influence our war as I said

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maybe the aliens or whatever they are

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don't have a prime directive do you have

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any evidence in your book of other cases

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involving not just something in the sky

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but something that seems to be a

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participant interesting question and the

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answer is other than no not a direct

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participant but we have lots of stories

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in the book about people well something

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someone observing the human race at law

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I mean the the bulk of the stories in

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the book seem to point out that there is

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whenever we go to war whether it's back

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in you know BC or right up into the

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present there are a number of UFO

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sightings of things just watching us

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looking at us observing us watching us

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kill each other Mac you do have one

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really interesting story from the

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Vietnam War that features and I think an

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eight-foot helmeted giant right it

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seemed to be somewhat alien in

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appearance that happened to kill a

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threatening of Viet Cong I think or some

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sort of North Vietnamese soldier so that

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a GI could climb a clamor aboard a US

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helicopter and be rescued that I know

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I'm jumping ahead in our timeline a

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little bit here but there are those rare

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accounts where you do seem to have some

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sort of interference on one side or

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another right that is one of the

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exceptions and and and basically what

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that story was was the Vietnam War was

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the way they fought the Vietnam War I'm

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sure everyone knows now there were no

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front lines well there was a helicopter

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war the army would send in dozens even

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hundreds of helicopters full of troops

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they would land in the middle of enemy

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territory fight the enemy and try to

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kill more of them than they killed of us

712
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not really a good way to rent a wall but

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you know that's another subject on this

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on this one day in it was in 1966 this

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gentleman was part of one of these

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Yvonne assaults they landed in a field I

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mean immediately got into a firefight

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with the Vietcong and there was so much

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ordinance going back and forth that it

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lit the the dry grass of the field on

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fire he got out of his helicopter and

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his crew chief to our his sergeant said

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told him that the helicopter back of

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them were was having mechanical problems

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in fact their engine was on fire so he

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told he awarded this gentleman to take a

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fire station and go back and help put

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out the fire in the and the helicopter

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he did this but he left his rifle behind

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on on his helicopter ran to help the

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second helicopter by the time he got

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there the people in the helicopter had

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had already solved the problem and they

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started waving him back but this point

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he's in the middle of a battle and he's

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in the middle of a large grass fire and

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he gets disoriented and he finds himself

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face to face with Vietcong soldier or

739
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not the enemy soldier and he's about to

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be shot and what happened next was he

741
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saw the giant is that's the only way to

742
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describe this person it was probably he

743
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was about eight feet tall he was wearing

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some kind of a uniform including a

745
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helmet that covered most of his face

746
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this being killed the Nazi soldier saved

747
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the American soldiers life the American

748
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soldier finally found his helicopter ran

749
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back to it

750
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took off and when they took off he saw

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the dead enemy soldier but there was no

752
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sign of the giant that had saved his

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life very very unusual story from where

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did you get the documentation on this I

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mean this is this is really good stuff

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and I'm wondering about the evidence

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00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:20,510
train on this well you know what I did

758
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:22,580
was a lot of these were found on the net

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and if my editor said if you can find

760
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two sources for a story let's go with

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that

762
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not exactly a UFO researcher I'm more of

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a reporter and I just wanted to lay out

764
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you know a whole different string of

765
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stories to kind of make the point that

766
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UFOs do show up it seems like they show

767
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up more frequently when we are at war

768
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:50,570
and the Vietnam War itself was kind of a

769
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:52,970
crazy war I mean let's face it there was

770
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:56,270
a lot of drug use during it it was a war

771
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:58,970
that as I said had no frontlines no real

772
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:02,240
victory in sight you did your 365 days

773
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:04,400
in country and you just prayed that you

774
00:32:07,870 --> 00:32:06,049
could get out and you and you made it

775
00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:07,880
through however you could make it

776
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:10,160
through so the stories from the Vietnam

777
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:13,010
War I'll be honest with you our a little

778
00:32:20,169 --> 00:32:15,970
offbeat now did you ever encounter a

779
00:32:22,030 --> 00:32:20,179
what has now become among serious UFO

780
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:22,040
researchers quite a famous story that

781
00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:25,910
was first I think touted by a researcher

782
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:28,400
named Bill English back in the late 80s

783
00:32:33,220 --> 00:32:31,190
about a b-52 crew that were found

784
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,230
mutilated but sitting in their seats

785
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:35,600
with their seatbelts on in a crash plane

786
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:37,790
that that seemed to have been set down

787
00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:40,730
into the jungle there was no pattern of

788
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:42,740
broken trees like the plane had had

789
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,390
glided in it was more like it was

790
00:32:49,539 --> 00:32:46,640
literally sat right down into the jungle

791
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:49,549
and of course the fantastic claim by

792
00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:51,890
English that I think it was seven crew

793
00:32:56,860 --> 00:32:53,960
members were found like the cattle

794
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,870
mutilation cases mutilated but in still

795
00:33:01,299 --> 00:32:59,120
sitting in their in their seats aboard

796
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:01,309
this b-52 did you ever encounter that

797
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,070
particular story no I didn't I'm hearing

798
00:33:09,850 --> 00:33:05,600
it for the first time I'm sitting here

799
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:09,860
with my jaw I gave that's it believe it

800
00:33:14,169 --> 00:33:11,990
or not this was a story that was touted

801
00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:14,179
for for sometime and I've heard other

802
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:15,860
people refer to it I think it all goes

803
00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:17,630
back to the original English Bill

804
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:19,520
English account but I was just curious

805
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:22,130
because this is one of those like too

806
00:33:26,830 --> 00:33:24,650
strange possibly to be true type stories

807
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,840
that comes from a fairly at the time a

808
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:29,120
fairly reputable source I think the

809
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,710
story has been pretty much discounted

810
00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:32,960
since then but but again this is another

811
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:35,030
Vietnam hero story we're getting a

812
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:36,500
little ahead of ourselves though let's

813
00:33:40,539 --> 00:33:38,809
let's go back to our timeline I love the

814
00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:40,549
way you have your book it's it's kind of

815
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:42,140
similar to jock valet and Chris ah

816
00:33:45,789 --> 00:33:43,790
Beck's book wonders in the sky where

817
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they just start you know from the

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historical record and then just work our

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way forward and you have a lot of

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interesting stories but there seems to

821
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be kind of a bit of a hole in your

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research

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during the Middle Ages what there are a

824
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few accounts that you give in there and

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I'd like you to tell our audience about

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some of the more celebrated accounts

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there's a couple of really good ones in

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there the one that that that really kind

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of was of interest to me was that and I

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didn't know this before was that when

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when the plague hit Europe Western

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Europe in the 1300s that you know a lot

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of people you know and it's become

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accepted now that it was caused by

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bacteria carried by fleas that the fleas

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were carried by rats but there were a

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lot of people back then who apparently

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saw things like strata flying objects

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flying around leaving a vapor and its

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wake people becoming sick from this

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vapor and and and that maybe this was an

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alternate cause or in another

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explanation for the plague but the other

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thing was was that along with these

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stories about this strange vapor people

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reported seeing figures dressed in black

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hoods and robes and using what sickles

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and and unexplainably killing livestock

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and and they were almost like medieval

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men in black and and today we know them

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as the Grim Reaper's so there was a lot

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of strange things going on back then and

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I had never heard that before that was

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just something I came upon and in my

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research and I and one thing I wanted to

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say was these these stories you know we

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did pick and choose the stories we were

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gonna use some medium of times because

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the the core of the book we wanted to

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start at the beginning of the 20th

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give it every one a taste of some things

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that had happened before that but the

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book really kicks off in 1909 with the

865
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with the airships I like that term scare

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ships we just have Jeff Danna like on

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the show and we talked about the great

868
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air ships which were 10 years prior to

869
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that but why don't you give us some

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examples of the scare ship sightings

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well the scare ships is that the chapter

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on the scare ships it's one of my

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favorites because I had known a little

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bit about it but when I kind of started

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researching it it just seemed to get

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stranger and stranger

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what happened was in in 1909 in in

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spring of that year a policeman in

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Peterborough England heard a strange

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he was walking a beat I guess you could

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UFOs in wartime and we're taking it

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through the years incredible cases so

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the UFO Mack passed overhead what

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happened next so he saw this object pass

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thousand feet above him and it was in

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the shape of a Zeppelin Germans did and

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at the time only the Germans Germans of

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course invented the Zeppelin's and they

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had civilian Zeppelin's but they didn't

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have military Zeppelin's at the time

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this policeman saw this object he

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reported it it made the newspaper

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nothing happened right away but about a

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month and a half later all of a sudden

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people all over England start seeing

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these objects and they look like

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Zeppelin's but they're not Zeppelin's

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for several reasons first of all they

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were o'clock today is an hour even today

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at the best blimps we have can't make it

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over 60 miles an hour

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they were seen flying against the wind

1027
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they were seen simultaneously olivine

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when indicating that there were more

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than just one they were seen with large

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searchlights glowing from beneath

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and shining on the ground suddenly

1032
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hundreds of people are seeing these

1033
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things and people call what could these

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things possibly be there was a newspaper

1035
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that clocked one they were they had a

1036
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reporter in one town who siren and he

1037
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started a clock and then one of his

1038
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associates in another town sorry to show

1039
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up 20 minutes later and that's how they

1040
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figure out they were going more than 200

1041
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miles an hour yet it was impossible at

1042
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that time for a German Zeppelin to make

1043
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the 700 mile round-trip it would take to

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go from Germany to England and back at

1045
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night so they weren't Zeppelin's they

1046
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weren't Zeppelin's no one ever figured

1047
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out what they were you know it's

1048
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interesting when you say this Mac how in

1049
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our previous week's episode I brought up

1050
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the fact that UFO sightings over the

1051
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years and certainly maybe not so much in

1052
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Renaissance times or before that but

1053
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more recent times they seem to have a

1054
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technology that's only a few steps ahead

1055
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of ours right exactly which is very

1056
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curious this is what we found out you

1057
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know in the research it seems like and

1058
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who knows what the explanation could be

1059
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but it seems like in the case of the

1060
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spaceships and then in the case of the

1061
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ghost fliers of Sweden 1933-34

1062
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and then again the ghost rockets in

1063
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Sweden in 1946 it seems in most cases we

1064
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are seeing a technology that is just

1065
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slightly ahead of its time not slightly

1066
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but ahead of its time for some reason

1067
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and what the explanation for that is I

1068
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don't know but there's definitely in

1069
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most three instances a good case to be

1070
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made for it whatever that case might be

1071
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recurse or element I think is really

1072
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important of course Jacques Vallee and

1073
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others have really made a note of it and

1074
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attempted to really analyze the the

1075
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implications of this but going back to

1076
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your previous accounts of Alexander

1077
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Constantine other events that occurred

1078
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much further back in time

1079
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not only do we have interference or

1080
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taking of sides by these objects and the

1081
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supposed pilots but we have technology

1082
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that is way ahead of the time which

1083
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doesn't conform to this particular more

1084
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:42,040
modern aspect where ufos tend to be

1085
00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:43,330
couched just slightly ahead of their

1086
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:44,590
time I think that's an interesting

1087
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:47,110
subject for someone out there to to

1088
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:48,760
tackle and really analyze but but

1089
00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:51,250
continue well you know with the another

1090
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:53,790
side story to these skips

1091
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:56,640
was as this skyship mania was going on

1092
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,880
in 1909 and World War 1 was just five

1093
00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:02,460
years away and it had been proven just

1094
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:04,230
about you know that it was impossible

1095
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:06,030
for these things to be Zeppelin's yet

1096
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,770
they look like Zeppelin's there was an

1097
00:45:13,310 --> 00:45:10,260
instance where a gentleman saw one of

1098
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:13,320
the scarabs over his house at the height

1099
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:16,140
of the craze let's say and in at night

1100
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,700
and he happened to live in a part of

1101
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:19,740
England that he was on a cliff and the

1102
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:21,930
next day he went out and he found this

1103
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:24,660
strange object which was he described it

1104
00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:26,730
as a long metal bow with a soccer ball

1105
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:28,590
shaped thing stuck onto it he had no

1106
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:31,170
idea what it was he got a hold of the

1107
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:33,330
local Coast Guard they came up and they

1108
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:34,920
looked at the object and the local

1109
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:36,930
police looked at it had no idea what it

1110
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,730
was they told him to please hang on to

1111
00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:41,040
it until someone from the British

1112
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:43,260
military could look at so this is what

1113
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:46,170
he did and he hid it in his bond as it

1114
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:48,380
turned out several days later the

1115
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:50,700
British military came and they took it

1116
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:52,500
and they said it was some kind of a

1117
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:55,050
taiga nning device used by ships at sea

1118
00:45:59,090 --> 00:45:57,180
what I was doing on top of this cliff

1119
00:46:01,610 --> 00:45:59,100
no one ever figured out but right around

1120
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:01,620
the same time one of this gentleman

1121
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:03,510
servants house servants was leaving the

1122
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:06,210
house and she saw these two men strange

1123
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:07,980
men on the cliff and they were kind of

1124
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,170
looking in the same area where he had

1125
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:12,240
found this object and then they were

1126
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:14,010
looking in his bond and she described

1127
00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:17,550
them as been wearing black and it just

1128
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:19,140
see and then as soon as she confronted

1129
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:22,170
them they left she left and they kind of

1130
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,640
scared her away

1131
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:25,440
from that point on there were other

1132
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:27,210
people who would say that they would run

1133
00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:28,950
into these mysterious characters dressed

1134
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:32,040
in black who would show up at these

1135
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:33,810
sites of where squishy ships had been

1136
00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:36,420
seen shortly before so in an odd way it

1137
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:37,860
was almost like the first men in black

1138
00:46:43,310 --> 00:46:40,050
incident happened during the sky ship

1139
00:46:45,620 --> 00:46:43,320
craze of 1909 very interesting we also

1140
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:45,630
had a flurry of sightings in New Zealand

1141
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,270
that same year of similar described

1142
00:46:52,310 --> 00:46:50,940
objects where did this term scare ships

1143
00:46:54,830 --> 00:46:52,320
come up with I love that I think that's

1144
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:54,840
a very interesting I hadn't heard that

1145
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:55,500
before

1146
00:46:59,780 --> 00:46:58,020
well it was I think was was created by

1147
00:47:03,950 --> 00:46:59,790
the media back then you know the British

1148
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,960
media is this there's always been and

1149
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:06,000
and it's the same today there's there's

1150
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:07,500
always been lots and lots of news

1151
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:09,090
papers in England and and they were even

1152
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:11,310
tabloids back then and I think it was

1153
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,710
just a word created by someone in the

1154
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:15,420
British media and it stuck you know I

1155
00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:16,920
want to ask you here in terms of

1156
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,860
sourcing you said the publisher insisted

1157
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:22,260
you have two sources for every story now

1158
00:47:25,820 --> 00:47:24,150
obviously in something like this you're

1159
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:25,830
going online you're checking newspaper

1160
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:27,810
morgue stuff like that did you have a

1161
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:30,210
chance to talk to anybody about recent

1162
00:47:38,330 --> 00:47:34,980
cases no no I didn't I had conversations

1163
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:38,340
with Richard Haines and and Jerry Clark

1164
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:42,240
and and keep Chester who wrote the book

1165
00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:44,270
on Foo Fighters called strange company

1166
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:47,580
that was just more in background and

1167
00:47:51,860 --> 00:47:49,260
guidance though I went to their books a

1168
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:51,870
lot for research and the book actually

1169
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:55,230
ends at the end of the first Gulf War it

1170
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,330
just seemed to be the place to end it

1171
00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:00,240
and you know weather will continue on

1172
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:03,060
someday from that I don't know but I did

1173
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:05,490
talk to those guys a lot but it was more

1174
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:07,260
like background research and really

1175
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:09,450
guidance on on how to do a book like

1176
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:11,250
this because they were experts at it and

1177
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:13,110
that was you know admittedly kind of new

1178
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,660
to the field did you find cases that you

1179
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:17,940
thought had promised but on further

1180
00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:20,310
discovery they were found to be wanting

1181
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:22,620
maybe bogus you know I probably did I

1182
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:27,060
can't remember you know any any specific

1183
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:30,270
cases right now it really was a case of

1184
00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:32,910
going through as much literature as I

1185
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:36,840
could put my hands on and still staying

1186
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:38,550
with the kind of chronological way that

1187
00:48:48,350 --> 00:48:45,960
the the book is laid out so I can I'm

1188
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:48,360
gonna say no almost everything that we

1189
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:50,370
really concentrated on wound up in the

1190
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:52,920
book to tell you the truth so when you

1191
00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:55,260
decide to focus on a case you did this

1192
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:56,670
with the help of these experienced

1193
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,680
researcher isn't certainly Jerry Clark

1194
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:00,960
is a longtime friend of mine and a

1195
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:03,180
friend of the show they were pointing

1196
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,400
you in the direction of the cases that

1197
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:07,140
had the most significance and the ones

1198
00:49:12,110 --> 00:49:09,450
worth following up on yes right exactly

1199
00:49:14,090 --> 00:49:12,120
and especially the ones that were in you

1200
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,100
know the books that they had written and

1201
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:16,740
and I also talked to those guys because

1202
00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:19,290
like I say as I said before I'm kind of

1203
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:20,790
new to the to the game

1204
00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:23,070
I didn't want to say anything that was

1205
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:24,840
wrong if you know what I mean wrong in

1206
00:49:30,620 --> 00:49:27,510
quotes just wanted to create a book that

1207
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:30,630
would be entertaining and and at the

1208
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:32,850
same time would point out that this is

1209
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:35,250
really strange that UFOs show up a lot

1210
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:38,040
while we're at war with each other and

1211
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:40,050
in in here the kid I think there's 70

1212
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:44,430
different episodes in it and and you

1213
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:45,990
know just read them from beginning to

1214
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:48,060
end and then draw your own conclusions

1215
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:49,530
my conclusion is that there's something

1216
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:52,500
very unusual going on here what it is I

1217
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:54,840
would love to know I don't know but

1218
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:56,430
here's the evidence that something very

1219
00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,770
strange is going on here so you're not

1220
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:00,900
making an effort here to say okay this

1221
00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:04,650
proves that et is here it is oh this is

1222
00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:07,590
stuff that is really weird and we ought

1223
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,390
to find out what's going on exactly

1224
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:11,940
that's you know you put it exactly

1225
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,460
that's exactly how we set out to to do

1226
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,140
the book I don't know what they I would

1227
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:17,760
love to know what the I think we'd all

1228
00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:20,490
love to know exactly what they are you

1229
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:22,950
know are they extraterrestrial we don't

1230
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:24,900
know you know are they time travelers

1231
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:26,310
are they from another dimension are they

1232
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:27,900
from in a space are they from someplace

1233
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:30,090
that we can't conceive of I don't know

1234
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:32,670
but if you read all the stories in the

1235
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,530
book I think you have to come to the

1236
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:36,180
conclusion that something is there

1237
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,490
something is happening and maybe someday

1238
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:40,800
soon I asked Gary Clark this I asked

1239
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:42,810
everyone this at the end of the book I

1240
00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:44,730
put the question to them when do you

1241
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:46,620
think the UFO puzzle is gonna be solved

1242
00:50:50,330 --> 00:50:48,270
and Jerry gave what I thought was the

1243
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:50,340
best answer and also the most optimistic

1244
00:50:54,830 --> 00:50:52,230
answer he said within the next 50 years

1245
00:50:57,350 --> 00:50:54,840
the scientific community let me take

1246
00:51:01,310 --> 00:50:57,360
UFOs maybe you've heard this before oh

1247
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:01,320
yeah seriously and and notes that you

1248
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:02,850
know researching this and try to look

1249
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:05,100
for the answer and and and he was

1250
00:51:09,590 --> 00:51:07,230
I hope he's off on his timeline I would

1251
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:09,600
like it to happen you know sooner than

1252
00:51:15,050 --> 00:51:12,750
that well I guess if you are under 30 or

1253
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:15,060
40 that makes sense you'll live to see

1254
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:17,940
it if not you hope that we expand the

1255
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:20,010
life cycle of human beings to

1256
00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:21,420
accommodate that now they have a record

1257
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:23,340
number of people over 90 there might be

1258
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:28,800
hope baloney that's because Kris is 400

1259
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:30,810
years old didn't want to tell you what

1260
00:51:34,270 --> 00:51:32,970
has those nighttime sojourners with the

1261
00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:34,280
it's substance

1262
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:36,350
Mack Maloney is author of UFOs in

1263
00:51:46,990 --> 00:51:38,660
wartime with gene and Chris you're in

1264
00:51:48,850 --> 00:51:47,000
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1265
00:51:53,110 --> 00:51:48,860
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1266
00:51:56,110 --> 00:51:53,120
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1267
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:56,120
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1268
00:51:59,680 --> 00:51:57,800
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1269
00:52:01,540 --> 00:51:59,690
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1270
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1279
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1280
00:52:23,350 --> 00:52:21,860
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1281
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:23,360
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1282
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,250
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1283
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:26,720
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1284
00:52:28,780 --> 00:52:28,310
a private bank having a led back at

1285
00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:28,790
interest

1286
00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:30,320
forcing taxes to service debt this

1287
00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:32,030
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1288
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:33,350
stating a central bank issuing the

1289
00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:34,850
public currency is a greater menace to

1290
00:52:37,090 --> 00:52:35,870
the liberties of the people than a

1291
00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:37,100
standing army today understand I'm

1292
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:38,420
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1293
00:52:43,210 --> 00:52:40,100
that explains our monetary system call

1294
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:43,220
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1295
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:46,130
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1296
00:52:55,789 --> 00:52:49,110
that's 800 686 to 237

1297
00:53:04,609 --> 00:52:59,759
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1298
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:04,619
standard of paranormal radio and now

1299
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:12,400
here's Jane Steinberg we begin another

1300
00:53:18,269 --> 00:53:15,130
hour of exploring UFOs and war time with

1301
00:53:20,759 --> 00:53:18,279
Mack Maloney someone new to the UFO

1302
00:53:23,249 --> 00:53:20,769
field but not new to doing research

1303
00:53:25,019 --> 00:53:23,259
especially into military matters with

1304
00:53:27,179 --> 00:53:25,029
gene and Chris you're in the para cast

1305
00:53:29,849 --> 00:53:27,189
let me ask you just a parenthetical

1306
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:29,859
question here there have also been a

1307
00:53:36,329 --> 00:53:33,660
number of reports of UFOs over nuclear

1308
00:53:38,429 --> 00:53:36,339
installations did you get a chance to

1309
00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:38,439
look into those - yes

1310
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:41,229
as soon as nuclear power became a

1311
00:53:45,479 --> 00:53:42,359
reality

1312
00:53:48,949 --> 00:53:45,489
UFO started showing up over nuclear

1313
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:48,959
power first processing plants and then

1314
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,529
ICBM facilities once again it really

1315
00:53:58,890 --> 00:53:56,319
kind of gives you this idea that someone

1316
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,900
something is looking in on us is

1317
00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:00,880
watching us knowing our every move and

1318
00:54:05,189 --> 00:54:02,499
they're very very interested in things

1319
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:05,199
that have to do with maybe our own

1320
00:54:10,649 --> 00:54:07,569
self-destruction I think it's pretty

1321
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:10,659
well known that in the 60s in the 70s as

1322
00:54:16,589 --> 00:54:13,839
soon as the US Air Force opened up ICBM

1323
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,599
bases in the mid middle part of the u.s.

1324
00:54:23,069 --> 00:54:19,599
the United States UFO started showing up

1325
00:54:24,569 --> 00:54:23,079
over these over these bases there have

1326
00:54:26,759 --> 00:54:24,579
been entire books written about the

1327
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:26,769
subject happened to get in touch with

1328
00:54:32,219 --> 00:54:29,380
Robert Hastings I never I talked to him

1329
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:32,229
just email he and I emailed each other

1330
00:54:36,179 --> 00:54:34,569
back forth when I bought his book but I

1331
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:36,189
never talked to him I want someday I

1332
00:54:39,569 --> 00:54:38,049
really want to talk to him because you

1333
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:39,579
know obviously he's the guy he's the

1334
00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:41,650
expert on this you know we can make that

1335
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:42,039
happen

1336
00:54:45,569 --> 00:54:43,689
yeah I would love to talk to him he's a

1337
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:45,579
friend of the show participates in our

1338
00:54:49,529 --> 00:54:47,529
forms Robert Hastings ladies and

1339
00:54:53,069 --> 00:54:49,539
gentlemen the book that he did is UFOs

1340
00:54:54,659 --> 00:54:53,079
and nukes and I would also suggest Mac

1341
00:54:56,669 --> 00:54:54,669
that you may want to check the archives

1342
00:54:59,009 --> 00:54:56,679
of the power cast because we've had

1343
00:55:01,259 --> 00:54:59,019
Robert on two or three times to talk

1344
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:01,269
about the subject he's building a house

1345
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:03,130
in the San Luis Valley as we speak

1346
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:06,130
well he's the guy he's the man all about

1347
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:08,110
this stuff and he's done a tremendous

1348
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:09,730
research we're getting ahead of

1349
00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:11,230
ourselves a little bit here because a

1350
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:13,660
real sizeable chunk of your book is on

1351
00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:16,090
the Foo Fighter phenomenon which of

1352
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:16,630
course

1353
00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:19,570
Keith Chester did did a great job in

1354
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:22,180
strange company detailing out a just

1355
00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:24,910
amazing I had no idea that there were so

1356
00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:26,590
many sightings of these very enigmatic

1357
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:29,380
objects but I want to go back to that

1358
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:31,450
time period that that really interesting

1359
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:33,010
time period between the two world wars

1360
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:36,010
and one case that you bring out that

1361
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:38,290
would totally blew me away I had no idea

1362
00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:41,140
that this case existed involves the Red

1363
00:55:45,210 --> 00:55:43,390
Baron Manfred von Richtofen who of

1364
00:55:48,540 --> 00:55:45,220
course was the greatest ace of World War

1365
00:55:50,850 --> 00:55:48,550
1 shot down 80 Allied planes but

1366
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:50,860
according to this particular account

1367
00:55:56,610 --> 00:55:54,040
from the world news daily that you cite

1368
00:56:00,330 --> 00:55:56,620
in your book he actually shot down a UFO

1369
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:00,340
in 1917 which was news to me why don't

1370
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:01,810
you give us a little insight on that

1371
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:03,070
particular incident because this is a

1372
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:05,830
really rare case right well as you say

1373
00:56:10,110 --> 00:56:08,080
the Red Baron he was the number one fire

1374
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:10,120
ace of the German air force in World War

1375
00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:12,130
one he's mostly famous for the Red

1376
00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:14,380
Baron's flying surf circus but this

1377
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:16,120
happened about a year before Flying

1378
00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:19,000
Circus was formed spring in 1917 he was

1379
00:56:24,660 --> 00:56:21,580
on combat patrol his wingman name was

1380
00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:24,670
Peter Wozzeck and they were flying over

1381
00:56:29,490 --> 00:56:26,950
Belgium I believe it was looking for

1382
00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:29,500
Allied airplanes and they came upon I

1383
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:31,720
was it was a clear day bright blue sky

1384
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:35,140
and they came upon this silvery disc

1385
00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:38,050
like objects they had no idea what it

1386
00:56:43,290 --> 00:56:39,400
was it was about a hundred feet in

1387
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:43,300
diameter very bright in the sky and wide

1388
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:46,660
story was that they you know it's good

1389
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:48,910
the heck out of them at first the US had

1390
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:50,530
just entered the war the only thing they

1391
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:52,450
could think of was this was some kind of

1392
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:54,910
a new you know US airplane a

1393
00:57:00,270 --> 00:56:57,310
reconnaissance aircraft they didn't know

1394
00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:00,280
so von Richtofen just opened up on it

1395
00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:03,190
fired on it shot it down they saw it

1396
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:04,780
going to crash into the woods they saw

1397
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:07,510
two people two occupants run from it

1398
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:09,370
they returned to base and they were told

1399
00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:11,230
not to mention it again and why Sir

1400
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:13,990
didn't mention it until the late 40s

1401
00:57:16,890 --> 00:57:15,400
when all of a sudden all these stories

1402
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:16,900
that were talking about previously about

1403
00:57:21,570 --> 00:57:19,090
flying saucers started coming out in the

1404
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:21,580
media and he realized that's what we saw

1405
00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:23,890
way back when so he never really told

1406
00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:26,350
anyone about it except people in his

1407
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,120
family and then he did do this interview

1408
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:30,160
I think it was shortly before he died he

1409
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:31,780
went on to fight in World War two and

1410
00:57:35,070 --> 00:57:33,700
became an airline pilot but he just

1411
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:35,080
didn't tell very many people this story

1412
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:37,180
until he gave this interview so it was a

1413
00:57:40,350 --> 00:57:38,710
good way to kind of start off the modern

1414
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:40,360
part of the book I wonder if that was

1415
00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:46,090
one of the red barons 80 kills 79 Allied

1416
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:49,590
planes and one UFO I just think about

1417
00:57:55,770 --> 00:57:53,530
that hit record from the 60s Snoopy's

1418
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:55,780
versus the Red Baron remember that oh

1419
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,210
yeah of course I could even sing it to

1420
00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:01,200
Eugene but I won't I'm hoping you don't

1421
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:04,420
I'm really praying that you don't okay I

1422
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:06,730
won't all right let's continue with the

1423
00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:08,760
Foo Fighters how about the ghost ships

1424
00:58:14,970 --> 00:58:11,740
we've got a whole wave of activity that

1425
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:14,980
occurred in the 30s in Sweden the ghost

1426
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:17,350
planes up there I mean to me that's

1427
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:20,230
really important let's let's hit a

1428
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:22,570
couple of those examples before we we

1429
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,810
move into world war two very good let's

1430
00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:27,520
predate World War two and this is good

1431
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:29,560
to the mansion because so many people

1432
00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:33,310
think either 1947 or World War 2 signal

1433
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:35,590
the beginning of the UFO a mystery and

1434
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:37,240
now we're focusing a lot on the fact

1435
00:58:39,330 --> 00:58:38,650
that this is not quite what happened

1436
00:58:43,170 --> 00:58:39,340
that's right

1437
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:43,180
in 1933 late in 1933 the people who

1438
00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:46,210
lived in this very isolated region of

1439
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:49,240
Sweden called västerbotten heard

1440
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:52,570
something flying over one night and it

1441
00:58:58,290 --> 00:58:56,890
was a very noisy airplane it was going

1442
00:59:01,590 --> 00:58:58,300
through it there's a lot of river

1443
00:59:03,390 --> 00:59:01,600
valleys steep mountains in this area and

1444
00:59:05,550 --> 00:59:03,400
it was it was winging its way through

1445
00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:05,560
these river valleys waking everybody up

1446
00:59:09,930 --> 00:59:07,780
and this really kind of spicy plant away

1447
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:09,940
the part of Sweden no one knows what it

1448
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:12,880
was the authorities were contacted they

1449
00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:15,280
looked into it they didn't know they

1450
00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:17,080
checked in and found out there was no

1451
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:19,000
Swedish military plane flying that night

1452
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:21,130
there were no custom planes flying that

1453
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:23,470
night those are the only two only to

1454
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:25,540
let's say suspects who might have been

1455
00:59:30,930 --> 00:59:29,140
causing all this racket now back in 1933

1456
00:59:33,060 --> 00:59:30,940
you know airplanes were still kind of in

1457
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,070
the infancy you know most airplanes were

1458
00:59:37,380 --> 00:59:35,440
made of fabric they weren't made of

1459
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:37,390
and most of them were inefficient and

1460
00:59:41,339 --> 00:59:39,849
most of them couldn't fly for very long

1461
00:59:42,859 --> 00:59:41,349
you know without some kind of

1462
00:59:45,329 --> 00:59:42,869
maintenance needing maintenance or

1463
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:45,339
refueling and especially in this part of

1464
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:47,049
the world seeing an airplane was a rare

1465
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:50,559
event so this night it happened and then

1466
00:59:53,789 --> 00:59:52,210
the next night it happened and then the

1467
00:59:56,220 --> 00:59:53,799
next night it happened and something

1468
00:59:59,700 --> 00:59:56,230
what people are seeing this aircraft and

1469
01:00:02,880 --> 00:59:59,710
what they described it as is a a large

1470
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:02,890
aircraft with eight engines on it all

1471
01:00:07,890 --> 01:00:04,690
right now I don't think there's any

1472
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:07,900
planes I couldn't find any airplanes

1473
01:00:13,319 --> 01:00:09,910
that had eight engines on him especially

1474
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:13,329
none back in 1933 but not only did they

1475
01:00:19,739 --> 01:00:14,710
have eight engines on them but they had

1476
01:00:22,229 --> 01:00:19,749
the very unusual twin boom tails almost

1477
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,239
like a p38 fighter and they had pontoons

1478
01:00:27,089 --> 01:00:24,640
on them and and this is part of Sweden

1479
01:00:30,299 --> 01:00:27,099
there is no water unless it's frozen

1480
01:00:32,849 --> 01:00:30,309
it's basically snow and tundra so people

1481
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,859
all over this past week not seeing these

1482
01:00:36,769 --> 01:00:34,720
things and they're seeing them all over

1483
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,779
the country like the scare ships

1484
01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:38,799
indicating that there was more than one

1485
01:00:42,989 --> 01:00:41,140
of them the Swedish military is sent out

1486
01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:42,999
planes to look for them never found them

1487
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,980
six Swedish military planes crashed

1488
01:00:49,019 --> 01:00:46,720
during the search it lasted a couple

1489
01:00:52,289 --> 01:00:49,029
months suddenly people start seeing them

1490
01:00:55,259 --> 01:00:52,299
over Norway and Finland no markings on

1491
01:00:57,569 --> 01:00:55,269
the airplanes no country and senior no

1492
01:00:59,609 --> 01:00:57,579
no airplane existed that fit the

1493
01:01:01,019 --> 01:00:59,619
description of these airplanes now these

1494
01:01:01,710 --> 01:01:01,029
airplanes used to do something very

1495
01:01:06,509 --> 01:01:01,720
unusual

1496
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,519
that they also had searchlights hanging

1497
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:08,319
down the bottom out of the fuselage

1498
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:09,910
shining on the ground below just like

1499
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,130
the scare ships and what they used to do

1500
01:01:17,609 --> 01:01:14,319
is they would they would circle a town

1501
01:01:19,049 --> 01:01:17,619
or real rage stations or mountains and

1502
01:01:21,059 --> 01:01:19,059
people would see them doing this they

1503
01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:21,069
were just constantly circling shining

1504
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:23,140
their lights down on either the railway

1505
01:01:27,269 --> 01:01:24,880
station or the town of the mountain and

1506
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:27,279
they would do this for hours the strange

1507
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:29,170
thing about it is back then you couldn't

1508
01:01:33,059 --> 01:01:31,210
fly an airplane for hours you can only

1509
01:01:34,979 --> 01:01:33,069
fly an airplane for a couple hours at

1510
01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:34,989
most of where it had to land and get me

1511
01:01:38,609 --> 01:01:36,460
fuelled yet these things would be flying

1512
01:01:40,819 --> 01:01:38,619
all May they flew in all kinds of

1513
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:40,829
weather they flew in blizzards and

1514
01:01:44,759 --> 01:01:43,089
another unusual thing is is that they

1515
01:01:47,609 --> 01:01:44,769
would when people would see them

1516
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:47,619
certainly these towns they would shut

1517
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:48,700
their engines off

1518
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:51,490
slide and then start their engines again

1519
01:01:54,210 --> 01:01:53,410
and I can tell you I know a little bit

1520
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:54,220
about aviation

1521
01:01:59,880 --> 01:01:57,010
that's virtually impossible to do yet

1522
01:02:01,560 --> 01:01:59,890
people saw them doing it and this lasted

1523
01:02:03,660 --> 01:02:01,570
for about four or five months and then

1524
01:02:06,060 --> 01:02:03,670
just as suddenly as they appeared they

1525
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,070
disappeared people theorize that maybe

1526
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:09,520
they would German weapons the Nazis had

1527
01:02:12,780 --> 01:02:11,020
just come into power in Germany Germany

1528
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:12,790
is not that far away from Sweden but and

1529
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:14,710
the theory was was that the Germans had

1530
01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:17,890
a top-secret aircraft carrier up in the

1531
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:19,960
Arctic sea somewhere launching this

1532
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:22,450
aircraft well that is not true because

1533
01:02:26,609 --> 01:02:24,130
number one the Germans never had a

1534
01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:26,619
working aircraft carrier number two if

1535
01:02:29,339 --> 01:02:27,880
they had some kind of battle cruiser

1536
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:29,349
that they could launch these airplanes

1537
01:02:34,290 --> 01:02:32,170
from it would be they have to be

1538
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:34,300
launching dozens of airplanes every

1539
01:02:38,099 --> 01:02:36,790
night night after night retrieving them

1540
01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:38,109
in the worst kind of weather it would be

1541
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,390
very hard to do that with us with an

1542
01:02:44,339 --> 01:02:42,160
aircraft carrier these days I'll tell

1543
01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:44,349
you what we have Mac Moloney we're

1544
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:46,390
looking at UFOs and war time with Gene

1545
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:53,500
and Kris you're in the para cast so

1546
01:02:57,870 --> 01:02:55,030
here's what happened I was placing an

1547
01:03:00,270 --> 01:02:57,880
order online the site went down it just

1548
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:00,280
stopped responding it took hours before

1549
01:03:03,569 --> 01:03:01,990
it returned but I'd already placed the

1550
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:03,579
order with another company if your site

1551
01:03:07,319 --> 01:03:05,920
goes down you could lose business and if

1552
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:07,329
you have a business or personal site

1553
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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

1554
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it will stay online at iWeb your site is

1555
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,069
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1556
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networks in the world check it out

1557
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1558
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1559
01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:24,250
strange and unknown keep up with the

1560
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:25,960
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1561
01:03:29,819 --> 01:03:28,720
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1562
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1563
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1566
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1567
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1568
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1569
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1570
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1571
01:03:55,530 --> 01:03:53,050
this time warns of greek-style u.s. debt

1572
01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:55,540
crises you heard me right the GAO is

1573
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,220
drawing a parallel between the US

1574
01:04:01,150 --> 01:03:59,440
economy its debt and the current Greek

1575
01:04:03,099 --> 01:04:01,160
economic meltdown

1576
01:04:05,380 --> 01:04:03,109
the debt-to-gdp chart climbing into

1577
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unfamiliar territory the growing budget

1578
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,280
deficit will rise to unsupportable

1579
01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:09,680
levels hi this is Ted Anderson the

1580
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1581
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crises document the CBO has published is

1582
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a must read for every American

1583
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covering the risk of continued deficit

1584
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spending coupled with an aging

1585
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population and the rising interest rates

1586
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1587
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1588
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1591
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1592
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1593
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1594
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1595
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1596
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1597
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1601
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1626
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,730
some impressive testimonies to this

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1628
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1629
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:48,360
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1630
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three we'd like to hear from you if you

1631
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1640
01:07:30,620 --> 01:07:27,390
we have Mack baloney the subject is UFOs

1641
01:07:33,310 --> 01:07:30,630
in wartime and we're just here in all

1642
01:07:35,420 --> 01:07:33,320
sorts of cases lay another one on us

1643
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:35,430
okay well we can go into the Foo

1644
01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:38,640
Fighters now the pull Fighters were what

1645
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:41,040
people called UFOs during World War two

1646
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:43,770
okay now did you look up the derivation

1647
01:07:48,530 --> 01:07:46,170
of that term how did it start to be

1648
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,540
called Foo Fighters it was funny because

1649
01:07:52,820 --> 01:07:50,880
towards the end of the war I mean they

1650
01:07:54,830 --> 01:07:52,830
were they were known by many names

1651
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:54,840
during the war by the Allied

1652
01:07:58,250 --> 01:07:56,610
intelligence people they they would used

1653
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,260
to call them just unidentified objects

1654
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:00,720
they called them misguided Rockets

1655
01:08:04,930 --> 01:08:02,910
believe it or not most people thought on

1656
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:04,940
the Allied side thought that they were

1657
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,580
German one of the weapons and and that

1658
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:10,260
that's kind of like the the punchline of

1659
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:12,420
the whole Foo Fighter phenomenon but

1660
01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:14,910
there was a one particular squadron the

1661
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:18,359
415 knife fighter squadron that ran into

1662
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:20,580
more Foo Fighters than any other

1663
01:08:26,599 --> 01:08:23,460
squadron allied squadron in the war and

1664
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:26,609
it was the pilots in that quadrant that

1665
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:28,020
named it after there was a comic strip

1666
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:30,150
back then called where there was a

1667
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:32,310
character called foo fighter in it all

1668
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:33,810
right he was a he was a firefighter and

1669
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:35,100
his fire truck was called the Foo

1670
01:08:38,599 --> 01:08:36,839
Fighter and that that name just kind of

1671
01:08:40,460 --> 01:08:38,609
stuck that's how they got the name Foo

1672
01:08:42,140 --> 01:08:40,470
Fighters but Foo Fighters was actually a

1673
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:42,150
term that came towards the end of the

1674
01:08:47,210 --> 01:08:44,460
war let's look at a few cases here well

1675
01:08:50,210 --> 01:08:47,220
it really all started in early in the

1676
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:50,220
law before the American atheist West

1677
01:08:54,349 --> 01:08:52,140
even got over to England to join in the

1678
01:08:57,140 --> 01:08:54,359
bombing of Nazi Germany

1679
01:08:59,210 --> 01:08:57,150
British bombers were reporting seeing

1680
01:09:00,920 --> 01:08:59,220
these strange objects that would tail

1681
01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:00,930
behind them during bombing runs

1682
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:03,000
sometimes actually come up and fly

1683
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:05,370
parallel to them sometimes come up and

1684
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:07,020
fly in front of them almost like flying

1685
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:09,210
in formation now a lot of these were

1686
01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:12,359
described as glowing orbs but others

1687
01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:14,780
were described as just these huge

1688
01:09:20,750 --> 01:09:18,540
fantastic looking aerial objects that

1689
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:20,760
were with portholes and and and in

1690
01:09:25,460 --> 01:09:23,460
lights seen behind the portholes the

1691
01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:25,470
British pilot a cruise would come home

1692
01:09:28,790 --> 01:09:27,390
they would be debriefed as soon as you

1693
01:09:30,980 --> 01:09:28,800
land the first thing you do after a

1694
01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:30,990
bombing mission is you Dupree debrief by

1695
01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:33,180
your intelligence people they would

1696
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,680
start reporting these things now the

1697
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:36,480
intelligence people didn't really know

1698
01:09:39,950 --> 01:09:37,859
what to make of it so

1699
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:39,960
basically the excuse everyone came up

1700
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:42,420
with is these must be German weapons we

1701
01:09:46,999 --> 01:09:45,089
will put them in the report but you know

1702
01:09:49,490 --> 01:09:47,009
our number one priority here is winning

1703
01:09:51,979 --> 01:09:49,500
the war bombing Germany into submission

1704
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,989
and we really can't be you know

1705
01:09:56,569 --> 01:09:54,239
sidetracked by trying to figure out what

1706
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:56,579
these things uh so for a long time what

1707
01:10:00,379 --> 01:09:58,050
what happened is that the intelligence

1708
01:10:02,030 --> 01:10:00,389
officers they would make note of people

1709
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:02,040
seeing these objects but it wouldn't be

1710
01:10:06,140 --> 01:10:04,650
the prime subject matter of the

1711
01:10:08,569 --> 01:10:06,150
intelligence report that would then go

1712
01:10:10,609 --> 01:10:08,579
up the ladder so as key chesta pointed

1713
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,619
out where a lot of crews would report

1714
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:12,480
these things a lot of crews didn't

1715
01:10:15,649 --> 01:10:14,340
report them because they knew it was not

1716
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:15,659
gonna go anywhere and they didn't want

1717
01:10:20,089 --> 01:10:18,329
to be ridiculed which would happen a lot

1718
01:10:22,819 --> 01:10:20,099
if you if we would get up and you saw

1719
01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:22,829
one of these things so we're Keith you

1720
01:10:26,959 --> 01:10:25,500
know uncovered dozens of episodes in

1721
01:10:29,419 --> 01:10:26,969
World War two where people saw Foo

1722
01:10:31,069 --> 01:10:29,429
Fighters you know his contention is that

1723
01:10:32,839 --> 01:10:31,079
there's probably hundreds and hundreds

1724
01:10:36,379 --> 01:10:32,849
of sightings that just went unreported

1725
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:36,389
so then when the American Atheists came

1726
01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:38,190
over to England and joined the British

1727
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:41,159
into bombing Germany the Americans were

1728
01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:42,420
bombed during the day and the British a

1729
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:44,699
bomb at night American crews not seeing

1730
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,500
these strange things and and really

1731
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:48,480
continued throughout the entire walk

1732
01:10:53,919 --> 01:10:51,480
this was not exclusively a European

1733
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:53,929
theater phenomenon there were also cases

1734
01:10:58,700 --> 01:10:56,070
including the famous case at Leonard

1735
01:11:00,620 --> 01:10:58,710
Stringfield it changed his life he went

1736
01:11:02,569 --> 01:11:00,630
into a complete you know research

1737
01:11:05,899 --> 01:11:02,579
program for the rest of his life trying

1738
01:11:08,780 --> 01:11:05,909
to obviously he was the father of crash

1739
01:11:11,149 --> 01:11:08,790
Saucer research but there were quite a

1740
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:11,159
number of specific theater sightings as

1741
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:12,719
well I just wanted to kind of remind

1742
01:11:15,740 --> 01:11:14,489
everybody of that that's right that's

1743
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,750
right in the Stringfield what was

1744
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:17,520
interesting because it was right after

1745
01:11:22,129 --> 01:11:19,500
the war ended and he was on an airplane

1746
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:22,139
flying to Japan with the occupation

1747
01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:24,449
forces and he saw three you know full

1748
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:26,670
fighters off the right wing of the

1749
01:11:30,049 --> 01:11:28,290
aircraft and at the same time they

1750
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:30,059
appeared the aircraft developed engine

1751
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:32,070
trouble was in the almost in the process

1752
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,130
of crashing and then the Foo Fighters

1753
01:11:40,010 --> 01:11:37,440
disappeared the engines came back on and

1754
01:11:41,839 --> 01:11:40,020
the plane landed safely but from as you

1755
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,849
say from from that single incident that

1756
01:11:45,859 --> 01:11:43,679
that changed his life and he became you

1757
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:45,869
know very famous UFO researcher this

1758
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:47,610
opens up a whole kettle of fish here

1759
01:11:51,260 --> 01:11:48,630
ball of wax

1760
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:51,270
whatever cliche you want to use we

1761
01:11:55,580 --> 01:11:53,640
people like Joseph Ferrell David

1762
01:11:58,930 --> 01:11:55,590
Childress there's a number of

1763
01:12:02,090 --> 01:11:58,940
researchers that have taken the original

1764
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,100
intelligence assessment the Intelligence

1765
01:12:07,490 --> 01:12:04,560
Agency's assessment of the Foo Fighter

1766
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:07,500
phenomenon and they have suggested that

1767
01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:11,370
perhaps some of these furballs as they

1768
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:13,140
were also called by the Germans were

1769
01:12:19,940 --> 01:12:16,020
actually some sort of a very terrestrial

1770
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:19,950
German you know exotic technology where

1771
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:21,570
do you come down on that how much work

1772
01:12:25,810 --> 01:12:23,250
did you do in looking into the

1773
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:25,820
Brotherhood of the Bell some of the

1774
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:27,510
projects that were going on in

1775
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:31,170
czechoslovakia viktor schauberger the

1776
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:36,690
the the various types of designs that

1777
01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:39,780
have come forth in the years after world

1778
01:12:45,170 --> 01:12:42,150
war ii that seemed to suggest that the

1779
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:45,180
Germans did have an interest in circular

1780
01:12:50,210 --> 01:12:48,420
craft in exotic propulsion vortex type

1781
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:50,220
propulsion in the case of the

1782
01:12:53,150 --> 01:12:50,760
schauberger

1783
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:53,160
vortex engines where do you come down on

1784
01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:54,600
that do you think there's a possibility

1785
01:12:58,670 --> 01:12:56,460
that some of these objects could have

1786
01:13:00,590 --> 01:12:58,680
been of terrestrial manufacture and

1787
01:13:03,230 --> 01:13:00,600
design or do you think that these are

1788
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,240
truly high strange events that that have

1789
01:13:06,980 --> 01:13:04,800
no other explanation that could be

1790
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:06,990
terrestrial you know in nature yeah I

1791
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:08,270
don't believe they were a terrestrial

1792
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:11,010
design I don't buy into that whole

1793
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:13,800
German superweapons theory you know and

1794
01:13:19,670 --> 01:13:17,280
I'll tell you why first of all German

1795
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:19,680
pilots saw these things too and they

1796
01:13:24,230 --> 01:13:22,770
found out after the law that that that

1797
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:24,240
they believed that they were allied

1798
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:25,290
secret weapons

1799
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:26,460
the Allies believed that they were

1800
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:29,250
German secret weapons but when the war

1801
01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:33,510
was over there was no huge manufacturing

1802
01:13:38,810 --> 01:13:36,060
scientific research facility found

1803
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:38,820
anywhere in Germany that would have been

1804
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:40,860
able to produce these things you know

1805
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:42,540
where's the support mechanism for

1806
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:44,970
something of having these fantastic

1807
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,010
weapons you would have to have you know

1808
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:48,960
hundreds thousands of scientists you

1809
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,760
have to have something on the on the

1810
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:52,560
order of the ABE creation of the a-bomb

1811
01:13:58,220 --> 01:13:55,770
to make fantastic weapons that can go

1812
01:13:59,780 --> 01:13:58,230
for four thousand miles an hour at the

1813
01:14:02,210 --> 01:13:59,790
at the at the blink of an eye

1814
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,220
there is no recorded instance where any

1815
01:14:06,970 --> 01:14:04,640
of these Foo Fighters ever fired

1816
01:14:08,710 --> 01:14:06,980
on allied aircraft it with if they would

1817
01:14:11,650 --> 01:14:08,720
German super weapons why aren't they

1818
01:14:14,230 --> 01:14:11,660
shooting down all of our ability

1819
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:14,240
why aren't they Amole ating all our

1820
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:16,370
troops on the ground why are they so

1821
01:14:21,610 --> 01:14:18,710
passive okay exactly well that leads me

1822
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:21,620
to another question in all your research

1823
01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:24,320
that you did did you ever find a single

1824
01:14:29,310 --> 01:14:27,140
instance where Foo Fighters acted in any

1825
01:14:32,350 --> 01:14:29,320
sort of hostile manner and perhaps

1826
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:32,360
disabled or even brought down any

1827
01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:34,790
aircraft from any side in the war no

1828
01:14:41,860 --> 01:14:38,840
there's not much of Foo Fighters showing

1829
01:14:44,290 --> 01:14:41,870
any kind of aggression and once again it

1830
01:14:46,690 --> 01:14:44,300
comes to this fact I believe and I

1831
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,700
believe strongly and I don't want to

1832
01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:48,080
disparage the people who have done a lot

1833
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:51,080
of research into this but in my mind to

1834
01:14:56,230 --> 01:14:53,210
say that these were Nazi super weapons

1835
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:56,240
and to keep that idea alive is frankly

1836
01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:58,130
keeping the idea of the Nazis alive and

1837
01:15:01,900 --> 01:14:59,930
I think that that is not a good thing to

1838
01:15:06,250 --> 01:15:01,910
do I think there's a more productive way

1839
01:15:09,670 --> 01:15:06,260
to spend our time in 1944 the Germans

1840
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:09,680
were so deplete of resources they were

1841
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:12,110
building the cockpits of their me-262

1842
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:14,570
jet fighters out of wood okay this is

1843
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:17,120
not that this cannot be the same you

1844
01:15:21,970 --> 01:15:20,210
know military who is somewhere somehow

1845
01:15:25,420 --> 01:15:21,980
in some secret mountain somewhere

1846
01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:25,430
building aerial machines I can go 4000

1847
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:27,320
miles an hour they don't have a Stargate

1848
01:15:32,350 --> 01:15:29,570
sitting there at the Yucca Mountain or

1849
01:15:35,970 --> 01:15:32,360
something right half Mac Maloney with

1850
01:15:43,730 --> 01:15:35,980
Gene and Kris you're in the very cast

1851
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:45,980
America's number one source for

1852
01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:48,400
independent talk retails for over a

1853
01:15:54,330 --> 01:15:49,240
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1854
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:54,340
we are the gcn radio network Ray Perkins

1855
01:15:58,850 --> 01:15:56,530
a reclusive veteran burned out from the

1856
01:16:01,710 --> 01:15:58,860
Gulf War lives tortured by relentless

1857
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:01,720
perplexing nightmares nightmares of a

1858
01:16:05,610 --> 01:16:03,730
horrific battle in deep space and of a

1859
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:05,620
mysterious woman is suffering an agony

1860
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:08,230
for her devastated world a woman not yet

1861
01:16:14,730 --> 01:16:11,550
born calling across centuries to him

1862
01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:14,740
then a coincidence leads him to his

1863
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:17,200
destiny his chance to alter the universe

1864
01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:20,320
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1870
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1949
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:08,040
about UFOs and war time and once again

1950
01:20:13,700 --> 01:20:10,650
you point out here that except for in

1951
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the days of Alexander the UFOs were not

1952
01:20:19,250 --> 01:20:16,680
participants in our Wars they were the

1953
01:20:22,220 --> 01:20:19,260
observers yes that's right that's right

1954
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yeah that's that's the one key thing

1955
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that the one string that goes through

1956
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:26,040
almost everything we have in the book is

1957
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that they're observing us they're

1958
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:31,020
looking in on us they're they're

1959
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:33,570
interested in and us especially when

1960
01:20:36,980 --> 01:20:35,130
we're at war there are there are a

1961
01:20:38,660 --> 01:20:36,990
couple episodes what can deviate from

1962
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:38,670
that but for the most part and

1963
01:20:42,860 --> 01:20:40,380
especially during world war two there

1964
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:42,870
was no instance where they showed any

1965
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,450
kind of aggression at all one thing that

1966
01:20:50,270 --> 01:20:47,280
you mentioned in your book Mack and and

1967
01:20:53,150 --> 01:20:50,280
and this is I think perfect time to

1968
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,160
bring this up what did the Germans and

1969
01:20:57,020 --> 01:20:55,440
Japanese truly know about Foo Fighters

1970
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,030
and you've come up with some very

1971
01:21:02,120 --> 01:20:59,280
interesting stuff here about this Sanda

1972
01:21:04,580 --> 01:21:02,130
borough 13 which was some sort of

1973
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:04,590
shadowy investigative unit that the loof

1974
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:07,050
office set up and they did an assessment

1975
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:09,810
of the situation some of the reports

1976
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:12,330
that they you know investigated or quite

1977
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:14,340
quite interesting including the the

1978
01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:17,250
flying whale this 300 foot long 50 feet

1979
01:21:22,940 --> 01:21:20,520
in diameter object that a German pilot

1980
01:21:24,740 --> 01:21:22,950
described as having a very close

1981
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:24,750
encounter with why don't you give us a

1982
01:21:27,620 --> 01:21:27,210
little sense of what the Germans were up

1983
01:21:32,210 --> 01:21:27,630
to

1984
01:21:34,940 --> 01:21:32,220
more puzzled in the Allies at least as

1985
01:21:37,190 --> 01:21:34,950
puzzled by this new aerial phenomenon

1986
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,200
that was being reported by pilots right

1987
01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:39,120
that's true I mean there's not as much

1988
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:41,910
information on what the German side saw

1989
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,090
but we do know that well according to

1990
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:47,040
Henry Durant who was a French UFO writer

1991
01:21:53,210 --> 01:21:50,310
he's the one who wrote about this that

1992
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:53,220
the Germans set up a section called

1993
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:56,250
sanda bureau 13 as you said and and they

1994
01:22:02,630 --> 01:21:59,520
looked into German pilots seeing Foo

1995
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:02,640
Fighters and one of them was the story

1996
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:04,510
of a pilot he

1997
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:07,210
he was being transferred to Norway and

1998
01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:09,250
he felt that he was being transferred

1999
01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:12,160
you know to the boondocks he wasn't

2000
01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:13,750
happy about it but as it turns out he

2001
01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:16,120
arrives at this base way up in Norway

2002
01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:18,340
called banana panic as soon as he gets

2003
01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:21,070
there they see a unidentified flying

2004
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:23,860
object over the field they ask him to

2005
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:26,770
take off and go look for it he did he

2006
01:22:31,170 --> 01:22:29,050
gets about 10,000 feet above the base

2007
01:22:33,540 --> 01:22:31,180
and and he sees what he described as a

2008
01:22:37,050 --> 01:22:33,550
loop while meaning flying whale in

2009
01:22:39,180 --> 01:22:37,060
German and it was a huge stream line 3 M

2010
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:39,190
2 feet long about 50 feet in diameter

2011
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:42,970
flying along horizontally and he had it

2012
01:22:46,890 --> 01:22:45,280
under observation for quite a while and

2013
01:22:48,690 --> 01:22:46,900
then all of a sudden like a lot of these

2014
01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:48,700
things do you know blink the eyes and

2015
01:22:54,620 --> 01:22:51,160
the thing is gone in a in a you know

2016
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:54,630
blazing burst of speed he landed he told

2017
01:22:59,100 --> 01:22:57,130
people what he saw he told this appears

2018
01:23:01,070 --> 01:22:59,110
what he saw and and they were sure what

2019
01:23:03,150 --> 01:23:01,080
was going on was that he was just

2020
01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:03,160
reacting to the fact that he'd been

2021
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:05,260
transferred to this you know outpost out

2022
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:07,570
in the middle of nowhere and you know

2023
01:23:11,550 --> 01:23:09,730
they thought he had gone slightly insane

2024
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:11,560
and the next day they transferred with

2025
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:12,370
him out of there

2026
01:23:19,050 --> 01:23:15,910
there was another story where Heinrich

2027
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:19,060
Himmler and Joseph Goebbels who was the

2028
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:22,270
propaganda chief of Nazi Germany we're

2029
01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:26,890
witnessing a v2 rocket launch and they

2030
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,860
were filming it and the rocket went up

2031
01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:32,320
and as the rocket was going up they

2032
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:35,260
everyone there saw this like a spherical

2033
01:23:43,290 --> 01:23:38,770
body going around the rocket as it was

2034
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:43,300
as is going up into the sky and gurbles

2035
01:23:47,730 --> 01:23:45,490
asked you know what is this and the

2036
01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:47,740
Germans scientists on the ground said

2037
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:49,180
you know we don't know we think it's a

2038
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:51,730
some kind of a British secret weapon

2039
01:23:59,220 --> 01:23:55,690
there was another case in which a German

2040
01:24:02,160 --> 01:23:59,230
pilot and an me-262 which was the jet

2041
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:02,170
fighter and counted you know a huge

2042
01:24:05,940 --> 01:24:03,820
cylindrical object once again you know

2043
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:05,950
it's 300 feet long this thing had an

2044
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:08,290
antenna on it seemed to be intelligently

2045
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:10,210
controlled I'm sure there were many

2046
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:12,310
other stories too now the thing about

2047
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:14,560
the sunberg Bureau is that there's a

2048
01:24:17,489 --> 01:24:16,570
chance that it that itself might not be

2049
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,499
true

2050
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:19,360
and show maybe a lot of people have

2051
01:24:23,219 --> 01:24:21,249
heard this story too but Henry Grant

2052
01:24:25,379 --> 01:24:23,229
supposedly when he wrote his book the

2053
01:24:27,089 --> 01:24:25,389
black book of flying saucers he says

2054
01:24:30,330 --> 01:24:27,099
that he invented this just to make sure

2055
01:24:32,219 --> 01:24:30,340
that UFO writers and you know who were

2056
01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:32,229
writing books after this his book about

2057
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:34,780
1970 that they were checking their facts

2058
01:24:40,919 --> 01:24:38,050
so you know didn't I I never knew that

2059
01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:40,929
right did it exist did it not exist

2060
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:43,030
is this just him laying some kind of a

2061
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,130
trap for people like me not doing the

2062
01:24:50,899 --> 01:24:47,679
research who knows I don't know I don't

2063
01:24:53,549 --> 01:24:50,909
know but it seems to me that if allied

2064
01:24:55,109 --> 01:24:53,559
pilots were seeing Foo Fighters then

2065
01:24:56,669 --> 01:24:55,119
German pilots must have been seeing them

2066
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:56,679
too and Japanese pilots must have been

2067
01:24:59,969 --> 01:24:58,719
seeing them as well so what about the

2068
01:25:01,919 --> 01:24:59,979
Pacific Theatre sightings

2069
01:25:04,379 --> 01:25:01,929
I've heard of some actually very

2070
01:25:06,209 --> 01:25:04,389
actually almost terrifying there have

2071
01:25:07,919 --> 01:25:06,219
been some close encounter cases I think

2072
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:07,929
from the Pacific Theater that are as

2073
01:25:12,989 --> 01:25:10,570
impressive if not even more so than some

2074
01:25:15,089 --> 01:25:12,999
of the European theater stories why

2075
01:25:16,739 --> 01:25:15,099
don't you give us a quick summary of

2076
01:25:20,569 --> 01:25:16,749
some of that activity then we'll go on

2077
01:25:23,370 --> 01:25:20,579
to the post-war era when we have again a

2078
01:25:26,759 --> 01:25:23,380
northern latitude you know a sweden

2079
01:25:29,069 --> 01:25:26,769
norway finland outbreak of a different

2080
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:29,079
kind of mysterious ghost rocket as they

2081
01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:31,329
called him at the time but first let's

2082
01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:33,070
talk the Pacific and then move on right

2083
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:35,860
once again now typically cat tattooed

2084
01:25:42,689 --> 01:25:37,570
keith Chester because he was the guy who

2085
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,699
really dug into the archives of the Army

2086
01:25:48,989 --> 01:25:44,800
Air Force back then in World War two the

2087
01:25:52,469 --> 01:25:48,999
army was the Air Force and also the US

2088
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,479
Navy aviation arms now as he pointed out

2089
01:25:57,870 --> 01:25:54,880
the Navy has where he was able to get

2090
01:25:59,640 --> 01:25:57,880
into the archives of the in see the

2091
01:26:02,640 --> 01:25:59,650
reports of the Army Air Forces the Navy

2092
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,650
never really released a lot of this

2093
01:26:06,689 --> 01:26:04,239
information so there might be a treasure

2094
01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:06,699
trove somewhere still waiting to be

2095
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:09,670
uncovered of sightings made by u.s. Navy

2096
01:26:14,580 --> 01:26:12,159
pilots in in the Pacific Theater during

2097
01:26:17,459 --> 01:26:14,590
World War two of Foo Fighters but you

2098
01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:17,469
know we were able to come across a few

2099
01:26:23,339 --> 01:26:19,960
of them the one that that really struck

2100
01:26:26,549 --> 01:26:23,349
me was the case of the USS New York it

2101
01:26:29,009 --> 01:26:26,559
was a battleship that had was in the

2102
01:26:29,550 --> 01:26:29,019
Atlantic during most of the law and then

2103
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:29,560
was treants

2104
01:26:35,010 --> 01:26:32,170
to the Pacific towards the end of the

2105
01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:35,020
law because they needed Nobel ships were

2106
01:26:39,690 --> 01:26:36,640
just you know heavily gunden they needed

2107
01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:39,700
it for the landings of the Ujima in the

2108
01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:43,270
know can our and it was sailing off in

2109
01:26:49,050 --> 01:26:46,030
New Guinea when all of a sudden a this

2110
01:26:52,410 --> 01:26:49,060
object they started approaching on radar

2111
01:26:55,140 --> 01:26:52,420
it stopped right over the battleship the

2112
01:26:57,630 --> 01:26:55,150
battleship was being escorted by two

2113
01:27:00,060 --> 01:26:57,640
destroyers at the time and this thing

2114
01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:00,070
just hovered above the battleship I

2115
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:01,600
shouldn't really say have it because the

2116
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:03,610
battleship was going about 14 knots the

2117
01:27:11,130 --> 01:27:06,730
this thing a disciplined saucer-shaped

2118
01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:11,140
object paced the battleship for four

2119
01:27:16,410 --> 01:27:15,100
hours four hours now it could not have

2120
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:16,420
been a conventional aircraft because

2121
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:18,130
there's no airplane that can fly

2122
01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:21,610
fourteen dots okay it can't be a balloon

2123
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:23,590
because it stayed right with it for all

2124
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:27,250
this time the cruise of the battleship

2125
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:29,710
and the two destroyers saw it everybody

2126
01:27:33,210 --> 01:27:31,090
started at one point they started

2127
01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:33,220
shooting at it and they had no effect in

2128
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:36,670
it and it finally flew away that to me

2129
01:27:39,740 --> 01:27:38,290
is a video they have you know they have

2130
01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:39,750
film footage somewhere

2131
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:42,940
of that they've got to they've got it

2132
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:46,210
even bass to take notes yep sure you

2133
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:47,950
know where is it you know I think

2134
01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:50,610
there's lots and lots of information

2135
01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:54,100
written and film information film stuff

2136
01:27:59,580 --> 01:27:57,490
that is still to be uncovered about Foo

2137
01:28:00,840 --> 01:27:59,590
Fighters in world war two okay well how

2138
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,850
about the ghost rockets let's move

2139
01:28:06,210 --> 01:28:03,360
forward we have this this emerging

2140
01:28:07,770 --> 01:28:06,220
phenomenon military intelligence the Air

2141
01:28:10,290 --> 01:28:07,780
Force's of the world is scratching their

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heads and then quickly on the heels of

2143
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this we have an outbreak of these

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strange rockets that are flying around

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the only rockets up to that point really

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was the v1 buzz bomb and the v2 which

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was totally taken over by the Soviets in

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Americans that that project you had no

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manufacturer of rockets and then all of

2150
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a sudden you have an outbreak of these

2151
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very amazing sightings why don't you

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give us a quick thumbnail of the whole

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ghost rocket phenomena well the ghost

2154
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rocket appeared in 1946 once again over

2155
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Sweden interestingly enough and what

2156
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they were was

2157
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and people saw them starting in February

2158
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of 1946 in right through that summer and

2159
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what people saw were literally Rockets

2160
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they were long thin some had wings some

2161
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didn't but you could see you know flames

2162
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thrust coming out of the back of them

2163
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but but thousands of people saw these

2164
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things and and hundreds of them were

2165
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reported flying over Sweden heading

2166
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north into you know the the hinterlands

2167
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of Sweden it it there weren't that many

2168
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events there were dozens of events

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granted but I don't think that really

2170
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there were hundreds hundreds of separate

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2282
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listening to the current cap so the

2283
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question is Mack baloney hundreds of

2284
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cases Chris and gene waiting for the

2285
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answer on the para cast

2286
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what say you well well what happened was

2287
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the Swedish military was so concerned

2288
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about this that they broke their

2289
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traditional neutrality and they secretly

2290
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went to the British and asked them for

2291
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some aircraft radar the British sent

2292
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them radar they set up these radar

2293
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:32,790
stations in Sweden and sure enough the

2294
01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:35,310
ghost Rockets not showing up on radar

2295
01:34:42,430 --> 01:34:38,580
and there were just just ghost rockets

2296
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:42,440
confirmed on radar 200 examples of

2297
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individual ghost rockets found on radar

2298
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and then you add that to the number of

2299
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visual sightings but what what happened

2300
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then was the u.s. got involved and they

2301
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actually sent Jimmy Doolittle over to

2302
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,180
Sweden secretly he was working for shale

2303
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oil at the time and his cover story was

2304
01:35:02,710 --> 01:35:01,170
he was over in Sweden looking at oil

2305
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:02,720
refineries but what he was really doing

2306
01:35:07,550 --> 01:35:05,760
was consulting with the Swedish military

2307
01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:07,560
and looking at all the information that

2308
01:35:12,230 --> 01:35:09,780
they had got about these ghost rockets

2309
01:35:13,940 --> 01:35:12,240
and at that time what they thought was

2310
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happening was that the Russians had

2311
01:35:20,330 --> 01:35:16,290
taken over pinna Monday which was the

2312
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:20,340
Nazis research facility for v1 and v2

2313
01:35:24,650 --> 01:35:23,130
rockets and and they had theorized that

2314
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:24,660
the Russians had just kind of

2315
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:26,730
reconstituted that beat that base and

2316
01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:28,980
what people were seeing were v1 rockets

2317
01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:33,390
but right but that that's not what those

2318
01:35:38,570 --> 01:35:36,540
were Monday was like non-operational

2319
01:35:41,150 --> 01:35:38,580
yeah it was a ghost town you know though

2320
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it did fall into Russians hands it was

2321
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and then what became East Germany but

2322
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what happened was it had been bombed

2323
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heavily the Germans had destroyed a lot

2324
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of the equipment as they were retreating

2325
01:35:53,420 --> 01:35:51,660
so when the Russians got there was

2326
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basically a ghost town and anything that

2327
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was left they just packed up and shipped

2328
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deeper into Russia so they they

2329
01:36:03,590 --> 01:35:59,730
determined pretty quickly that it wasn't

2330
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peenemuende so and that's what Doolittle

2331
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eventually

2332
01:36:12,489 --> 01:36:09,639
briefed President Truman about so these

2333
01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:12,499
1946 all these people have seen these

2334
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:16,369
rockets and finally a Swedish military

2335
01:36:21,939 --> 01:36:19,280
plane found one of them flying found it

2336
01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:21,949
yelling counted one and what that pilot

2337
01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:24,789
reported was as I said 15 feet long

2338
01:36:30,339 --> 01:36:27,800
small wings in front small tail section

2339
01:36:32,020 --> 01:36:30,349
in the back and even more bizarre was he

2340
01:36:33,939 --> 01:36:32,030
reported that this thing seemed to be

2341
01:36:35,979 --> 01:36:33,949
flying as if that terrain guidance and

2342
01:36:38,020 --> 01:36:35,989
what that is real quick is that train

2343
01:36:41,049 --> 01:36:38,030
guns first came into being with the

2344
01:36:42,370 --> 01:36:41,059
f-111 fight Obama of the u.s. in the 60s

2345
01:36:44,469 --> 01:36:42,380
and what it is this if y'all flying

2346
01:36:46,689 --> 01:36:44,479
along low let's say you and you can you

2347
01:36:49,779 --> 01:36:46,699
dial into your computer 500 feet in

2348
01:36:51,339 --> 01:36:49,789
altitude you're gonna be flying at 500

2349
01:36:53,469 --> 01:36:51,349
feet if you come to a mountain that's a

2350
01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:53,479
thousand feet high the plane is

2351
01:36:57,339 --> 01:36:55,070
automatically gonna go up and over that

2352
01:36:59,639 --> 01:36:57,349
mountain and keep that 500 foot buffer

2353
01:37:02,529 --> 01:36:59,649
between us with terrain-following

2354
01:37:04,919 --> 01:37:02,539
technology which is very complicated we

2355
01:37:07,689 --> 01:37:04,929
weren't able to do it until the 60s and

2356
01:37:09,790 --> 01:37:07,699
then that was in an airplane our cruise

2357
01:37:11,620 --> 01:37:09,800
missiles today have it but cruise misses

2358
01:37:13,839 --> 01:37:11,630
today really came about in the 80s

2359
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:13,849
the point being then that the UFOs are

2360
01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:16,610
once again showing technology just a

2361
01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:18,409
little bit ahead of ours yeah that's

2362
01:37:24,279 --> 01:37:21,409
right there was an interview made in the

2363
01:37:25,929 --> 01:37:24,289
eighties of someone who was a connected

2364
01:37:28,359 --> 01:37:25,939
with the Swedish defense ministry and

2365
01:37:31,029 --> 01:37:28,369
his quote was from all indications that

2366
01:37:34,859 --> 01:37:31,039
he had seen from all the descriptions he

2367
01:37:37,569 --> 01:37:34,869
had seen what people were seeing exactly

2368
01:37:39,759 --> 01:37:37,579
he described as exactly what we know

2369
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:39,769
today as cruise missiles but as he said

2370
01:37:45,909 --> 01:37:41,570
who was flying cruise missiles over

2371
01:37:48,759 --> 01:37:45,919
Sweden in 1946 the that's the question

2372
01:37:50,770 --> 01:37:48,769
right there I love it okay by the way we

2373
01:37:53,739 --> 01:37:50,780
should tell our listeners that as you

2374
01:37:55,719 --> 01:37:53,749
know we asked our listeners in the power

2375
01:37:59,169 --> 01:37:55,729
cast forms at forum dot the power cast

2376
01:38:00,939 --> 01:37:59,179
calm to pose questions to our guests we

2377
01:38:02,679 --> 01:38:00,949
didn't have a lot of advance warning and

2378
01:38:03,969 --> 01:38:02,689
getting the set up so we don't have too

2379
01:38:06,580 --> 01:38:03,979
many questions with Chris you've

2380
01:38:09,069 --> 01:38:06,590
assembled a couple yeah it comes from

2381
01:38:13,929 --> 01:38:09,079
just after the ghost rocket period it's

2382
01:38:16,299 --> 01:38:13,939
a question by wwr who's a fairly long

2383
01:38:18,580 --> 01:38:16,309
time member of the forums and he gives

2384
01:38:20,770 --> 01:38:18,590
us a quote Mack he says Jen

2385
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,780
Benjamin chidlaw former commanding

2386
01:38:27,250 --> 01:38:22,880
general the air later Aerospace Defense

2387
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:27,260
Command reportedly said 1953 quote we

2388
01:38:32,860 --> 01:38:30,110
have stacks of reports of flying saucers

2389
01:38:36,370 --> 01:38:32,870
we take them seriously when you consider

2390
01:38:39,250 --> 01:38:36,380
we have lost many men and planes trying

2391
01:38:41,050 --> 01:38:39,260
to intercept them now are you familiar

2392
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:41,060
with this quote I'm not sure exactly

2393
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:43,970
where W W came up with this it does ring

2394
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:47,600
a bell to me but let's talk about the

2395
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:50,210
post-war period and and now what

2396
01:38:54,940 --> 01:38:52,970
you know George filer there's a number

2397
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:54,950
of people out there that claim this is

2398
01:39:01,000 --> 01:38:57,410
when the u.s. started to get into an

2399
01:39:04,090 --> 01:39:01,010
adversarial relationship with these

2400
01:39:06,220 --> 01:39:04,100
aerial objects I don't recall seeing

2401
01:39:10,300 --> 01:39:06,230
much about that of course the Philip

2402
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:10,310
Mantell case which is equivalent but why

2403
01:39:16,030 --> 01:39:13,130
don't we talk about that real quick you

2404
01:39:17,620 --> 01:39:16,040
know this whole sort of 50s you know

2405
01:39:20,350 --> 01:39:17,630
fighters trying to intercept these

2406
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:20,360
objects and then of course soon on the

2407
01:39:24,700 --> 01:39:21,920
heels of that we have the interest in

2408
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:24,710
nuclear sites as we touched on before so

2409
01:39:30,130 --> 01:39:27,110
what about this early 50s period this is

2410
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:30,140
a crucial time period from 48 let's say

2411
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,610
to 53 what what does your research tell

2412
01:39:39,550 --> 01:39:36,080
you well

2413
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:39,560
the 50s were definitely yeah you could

2414
01:39:43,810 --> 01:39:41,450
call the 50s the decade of the UFO

2415
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,820
because there were it was just you know

2416
01:39:48,490 --> 01:39:45,920
hundreds if not thousands of sightings

2417
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:48,500
during the 50s but we have to go back a

2418
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:52,880
little bit to 1947 and that's when right

2419
01:39:57,790 --> 01:39:56,210
after Arnold first saw his flying

2420
01:40:00,280 --> 01:39:57,800
objects and coined the term flying

2421
01:40:02,020 --> 01:40:00,290
saucers after that hit the media people

2422
01:40:04,690 --> 01:40:02,030
started seeing flying saucers all over

2423
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:04,700
the country we had Roswell we had the

2424
01:40:11,140 --> 01:40:08,210
Maurya Island incident and and so that

2425
01:40:12,910 --> 01:40:11,150
the Air Force you know said thought well

2426
01:40:14,050 --> 01:40:12,920
we really do have to look into this and

2427
01:40:15,820 --> 01:40:14,060
of course they were always thinking from

2428
01:40:17,500 --> 01:40:15,830
a national security point of view and

2429
01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:17,510
and what they're worried about is could

2430
01:40:23,290 --> 01:40:20,510
these things be Russian weapons is a

2431
01:40:27,220 --> 01:40:23,300
security threatened here so they gave

2432
01:40:30,820 --> 01:40:27,230
the the mission to what was then called

2433
01:40:31,899 --> 01:40:30,830
the air technical intelligence center in

2434
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:31,909
Dayton Ohio to

2435
01:40:38,739 --> 01:40:35,449
look into did UFOs exist they weren't

2436
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:38,749
called UFOs at the time but and so it

2437
01:40:43,390 --> 01:40:40,729
took six months of the eighty I see to

2438
01:40:44,830 --> 01:40:43,400
come to the conclusion now the eighty IC

2439
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:44,840
was made up of scientists and engineers

2440
01:40:50,350 --> 01:40:46,820
and they were really held in high regard

2441
01:40:53,739 --> 01:40:50,360
in the Air Force and their conclusion

2442
01:40:56,169 --> 01:40:53,749
was that the phenomenon is not visionary

2443
01:40:58,569 --> 01:40:56,179
or fictitious they believe that flying

2444
01:41:00,699 --> 01:40:58,579
saucers were real and that the Air Force

2445
01:41:02,919 --> 01:41:00,709
should study them further now this

2446
01:41:05,770 --> 01:41:02,929
freaked everybody out if I can use that

2447
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:05,780
term this isn't what they expected to

2448
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:08,570
hear but because the 80 IC was so well

2449
01:41:12,219 --> 01:41:10,489
we got it the Air Force said well we

2450
01:41:15,009 --> 01:41:12,229
better look into it and that really was

2451
01:41:17,049 --> 01:41:15,019
the beginning of the the project sign

2452
01:41:19,209 --> 01:41:17,059
which is the other one in Blue Book

2453
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:19,219
right exactly you know is the beginning

2454
01:41:24,219 --> 01:41:21,530
of that and and the people at 80 IC

2455
01:41:25,779 --> 01:41:24,229
looked into it and and they once again

2456
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:25,789
they came back six months later and said

2457
01:41:29,049 --> 01:41:27,650
you know this is something you know

2458
01:41:31,509 --> 01:41:29,059
they're not hallucinating people aren't

2459
01:41:33,069 --> 01:41:31,519
hallucinating when they see we you know

2460
01:41:34,449 --> 01:41:33,079
our listeners I think most people

2461
01:41:36,819 --> 01:41:34,459
actually listen to the show are really

2462
01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:36,829
up to speed this is where people their

2463
01:41:41,169 --> 01:41:39,169
knowledge really starts to drill in but

2464
01:41:43,419 --> 01:41:41,179
really the question is though that there

2465
01:41:44,770 --> 01:41:43,429
have been claims made by for instance

2466
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:44,780
George filer who was in the Air Force

2467
01:41:49,719 --> 01:41:47,449
during the time period and there seems

2468
01:41:51,969 --> 01:41:49,729
to be a suggestion that there was an

2469
01:41:55,330 --> 01:41:51,979
adversarial you know shoot shoot shoot

2470
01:41:58,779 --> 01:41:55,340
on on site type scenario going on at

2471
01:42:01,379 --> 01:41:58,789
some point during the 50s and the claim

2472
01:42:04,540 --> 01:42:01,389
here and going back to our question

2473
01:42:08,620 --> 01:42:04,550
concerning general Chile's comment that

2474
01:42:10,569 --> 01:42:08,630
we've lost men in planes this is like a

2475
01:42:12,549 --> 01:42:10,579
whole new wrinkle in the whole in the

2476
01:42:14,979 --> 01:42:12,559
whole sort of passive watcher observer

2477
01:42:17,409 --> 01:42:14,989
role of these objects and we're actually

2478
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:17,419
starting for all appearances starting to

2479
01:42:20,979 --> 01:42:19,280
get aggressive with them what what does

2480
01:42:23,589 --> 01:42:20,989
your research tell you about that about

2481
01:42:28,419 --> 01:42:23,599
that aspect the adversarial relationship

2482
01:42:30,879 --> 01:42:28,429
that began to flourish allegedly during

2483
01:42:33,370 --> 01:42:30,889
the 50s well I think it is allegedly I

2484
01:42:35,919 --> 01:42:33,380
didn't come upon anything where you know

2485
01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:35,929
there was any kind of you know warfare

2486
01:42:43,299 --> 01:42:40,729
between UFOs and US military jets

2487
01:42:44,770 --> 01:42:43,309
fighters there were instances the

2488
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:44,780
Mantell case is one there are several

2489
01:42:47,540 --> 01:42:45,690
instances where

2490
01:42:50,900 --> 01:42:47,550
airplanes were lost airplanes

2491
01:42:52,610 --> 01:42:50,910
disappeared while you know pursuing UFOs

2492
01:42:56,180 --> 01:42:52,620
and things of that nature

2493
01:42:58,130 --> 01:42:56,190
but but there was a shoot down order and

2494
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:58,140
I'm sure your audience probably knows

2495
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:01,440
this too right after the UFO twin UFO

2496
01:43:06,709 --> 01:43:03,930
sightings in Washington DC in the early

2497
01:43:09,140 --> 01:43:06,719
50s Truman President Truman gave the

2498
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:09,150
order which said to all US fighter

2499
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:11,040
pilots that if you encounter a UFO if

2500
01:43:15,620 --> 01:43:12,420
you can't quote-unquote talk him down

2501
01:43:18,020 --> 01:43:15,630
then shoot him down and of course that

2502
01:43:19,250 --> 01:43:18,030
caused a great stir because when word of

2503
01:43:20,689 --> 01:43:19,260
that leaked now people were saying maybe

2504
01:43:22,670 --> 01:43:20,699
we shouldn't be shooting at these things

2505
01:43:26,300 --> 01:43:22,680
because they're such fantastic

2506
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:26,310
technology and sent Gort on us right

2507
01:43:31,970 --> 01:43:29,489
exactly but I didn't come upon any of

2508
01:43:34,250 --> 01:43:31,980
this okay so you don't think that we

2509
01:43:37,130 --> 01:43:34,260
actually lost many planes and weapons as

2510
01:43:38,689 --> 01:43:37,140
general chilla the sort of intimated I'm

2511
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:38,699
not sure where this quote comes from it

2512
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:41,010
does ring a bell of course we also have

2513
01:43:45,470 --> 01:43:42,960
other evidence as well that that

2514
01:43:47,870 --> 01:43:45,480
suggests that maybe some some incidences

2515
01:43:49,850 --> 01:43:47,880
happen obviously these weren't part of

2516
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:49,860
the public record I was just curious to

2517
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:52,530
know how much you know if you really dug

2518
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:54,840
in that direction and if you did what

2519
01:43:57,890 --> 01:43:56,280
you found because I have another

2520
01:43:59,660 --> 01:43:57,900
question - I have another kind of

2521
01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:59,670
significant question here about okay a

2522
01:44:02,990 --> 01:44:01,560
couple of these cases but first got tell

2523
01:44:05,090 --> 01:44:03,000
you they have you have a comment or

2524
01:44:07,340 --> 01:44:05,100
question about the show right US news at

2525
01:44:09,890 --> 01:44:07,350
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2526
01:44:12,620 --> 01:44:09,900
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2530
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2531
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2551
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2552
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2562
01:46:03,340 --> 01:46:00,770
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2563
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:03,350
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2564
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:07,010
and Cris the book is called UFOs in more

2565
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:09,920
time about cases through the ages that

2566
01:46:15,510 --> 01:46:13,130
occurred in synchronicity with war okay

2567
01:46:19,390 --> 01:46:15,520
you mentioned the Maury island case and

2568
01:46:22,210 --> 01:46:19,400
it's a can of worms a number of people

2569
01:46:24,970 --> 01:46:22,220
feel that case was a hoax or of

2570
01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:24,980
conventional design and then with the

2571
01:46:32,350 --> 01:46:27,940
Mantell case some people suggest he was

2572
01:46:35,260 --> 01:46:32,360
just following the planet Venus he got

2573
01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:35,270
fooled he flew too high and caused his

2574
01:46:40,540 --> 01:46:38,450
own death any response well with the

2575
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:40,550
mari island case I mean you're right

2576
01:46:44,650 --> 01:46:41,870
it's a can of worms

2577
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:44,660
it seems 50/50 whether is a hoax or

2578
01:46:49,090 --> 01:46:46,850
whether it actually happened it seems to

2579
01:46:51,730 --> 01:46:49,100
me that something happened there I mean

2580
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:51,740
just so many things well losing two Air

2581
01:46:57,490 --> 01:46:54,650
Force investigators on a plane crash

2582
01:46:59,200 --> 01:46:57,500
leaving the site of the investigation I

2583
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:59,210
mean that fact alone makes it

2584
01:47:03,940 --> 01:47:00,800
interesting it makes it interesting

2585
01:47:05,770 --> 01:47:03,950
right and and there was just so many

2586
01:47:07,090 --> 01:47:05,780
people involved there was some kind of a

2587
01:47:09,220 --> 01:47:07,100
hoax it just seems like there would be

2588
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:09,230
just too many moving parts to pull off a

2589
01:47:13,780 --> 01:47:11,570
hoax like that the FBI didn't believe

2590
01:47:15,100 --> 01:47:13,790
that it wasn't a hoax the FBI believed

2591
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:15,110
it was real but then other people said

2592
01:47:18,580 --> 01:47:16,730
well you know if you look a little

2593
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:18,590
deeper or all it is was just some kind

2594
01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:21,110
of a intelligence operation to discredit

2595
01:47:25,060 --> 01:47:23,510
people seeing UFOs so I don't know you

2596
01:47:27,070 --> 01:47:25,070
know it's it to me it was just

2597
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:27,080
interesting subject to put in the book

2598
01:47:31,420 --> 01:47:28,970
we've all probably about 10 pages to it

2599
01:47:33,190 --> 01:47:31,430
you know and all these things I just ask

2600
01:47:35,050 --> 01:47:33,200
people if you're interested in any

2601
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:35,060
episode that appears the book just you

2602
01:47:38,890 --> 01:47:37,250
know go and look at the research and you

2603
01:47:41,050 --> 01:47:38,900
really make up your own minds with the

2604
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:41,060
Mintel case I don't believe that he was

2605
01:47:44,980 --> 01:47:43,040
chasing Venus because first of all he

2606
01:47:47,890 --> 01:47:44,990
was a pretty experienced pilot he was

2607
01:47:49,330 --> 01:47:47,900
the flight leader of 4f 51's that day

2608
01:47:51,550 --> 01:47:49,340
and usually the flight leader was the

2609
01:47:54,340 --> 01:47:51,560
most experienced guy whatever he was

2610
01:47:56,590 --> 01:47:54,350
chasing he was mesmerized by it so much

2611
01:47:57,359 --> 01:47:56,600
so that he went way beyond the safety

2612
01:47:59,549 --> 01:47:57,369
limit of

2613
01:48:01,439 --> 01:47:59,559
you know how high he could clay altitude

2614
01:48:04,859 --> 01:48:01,449
wise he was beyond the capabilities of

2615
01:48:07,169 --> 01:48:04,869
his oxygen supply his last words were

2616
01:48:09,629 --> 01:48:07,179
you know it's gigantic and I'm getting

2617
01:48:11,429 --> 01:48:09,639
closer to it I can't believe that and

2618
01:48:13,169 --> 01:48:11,439
plessis during the day you know I don't

2619
01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:13,179
know if you can really see Venus during

2620
01:48:16,199 --> 01:48:14,320
the day to the point that you would

2621
01:48:18,089 --> 01:48:16,209
actually chase it I think he saw

2622
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,099
something else I think he saw something

2623
01:48:22,109 --> 01:48:20,320
that he had no idea what it was and he

2624
01:48:24,359 --> 01:48:22,119
wanted to find out what it was and and

2625
01:48:26,339 --> 01:48:24,369
he always stepped his bounds as far as

2626
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:26,349
you know there is slight I would love to

2627
01:48:30,119 --> 01:48:28,090
find out what it was and tragically he

2628
01:48:31,619 --> 01:48:30,129
was killed and the other key is here is

2629
01:48:34,379 --> 01:48:31,629
there any evidence that any of these

2630
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:34,389
wartime cases involves something that

2631
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,209
indicates a UFO might have fired back

2632
01:48:42,419 --> 01:48:39,760
nothing during the 50s no nothing during

2633
01:48:45,179 --> 01:48:42,429
the 50s now I will say something as as

2634
01:48:47,909 --> 01:48:45,189
an aside what that is is that completely

2635
01:48:51,209 --> 01:48:47,919
you know off the subject UFOs there were

2636
01:48:54,389 --> 01:48:51,219
airplanes USAF planes being shot down by

2637
01:48:57,149 --> 01:48:54,399
the Russians during the 50s we created a

2638
01:48:59,250 --> 01:48:57,159
whole fleet of spy planes a lot of them

2639
01:49:01,409 --> 01:48:59,260
with c-130 cargo planes that would fly

2640
01:49:03,569 --> 01:49:01,419
around the borders of Russia sometimes

2641
01:49:05,489 --> 01:49:03,579
crossing over the border with their

2642
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:05,499
listening gear pointed towards the

2643
01:49:08,669 --> 01:49:07,570
middle of Russia to see if what the

2644
01:49:10,379 --> 01:49:08,679
Russians were up to where they were

2645
01:49:11,729 --> 01:49:10,389
testing nuclear weapons or whatever and

2646
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:11,739
they would send MiG's up against these

2647
01:49:15,810 --> 01:49:13,360
planes and shoot down these planes

2648
01:49:17,489 --> 01:49:15,820
they're unarmed so this was an unknown

2649
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:17,499
undeclared war between Russia and the

2650
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:19,570
United States and a lot of pilots and a

2651
01:49:24,929 --> 01:49:22,449
lot of planes were lost during this as a

2652
01:49:27,060 --> 01:49:24,939
SAN declared war whether that somehow

2653
01:49:28,889 --> 01:49:27,070
got mixed up with chasing UFOs or not I

2654
01:49:30,959 --> 01:49:28,899
don't know good point very interesting

2655
01:49:33,149 --> 01:49:30,969
point another thing I want to mention

2656
01:49:36,089 --> 01:49:33,159
about the Mori island in that crucial

2657
01:49:39,060 --> 01:49:36,099
time period June July in the Puget Sound

2658
01:49:41,250 --> 01:49:39,070
area of Washington State my father was a

2659
01:49:43,259 --> 01:49:41,260
board a Coast Guard Cutter and was

2660
01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:43,269
serving in the Coast Guard in Puget

2661
01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:45,369
Sound during that time period and he

2662
01:49:49,889 --> 01:49:47,590
told me when I was a kid that they

2663
01:49:52,139 --> 01:49:49,899
clocked they had brand-new radar units

2664
01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:52,149
and they clocked objects that appeared

2665
01:49:56,759 --> 01:49:54,249
to be traveling in excess of 10,000

2666
01:49:58,739 --> 01:49:56,769
miles an hour 10 K and some of these

2667
01:50:00,359 --> 01:49:58,749
sightings there was I can't remember his

2668
01:50:02,850 --> 01:50:00,369
exact wording but something about them

2669
01:50:04,529 --> 01:50:02,860
coming in and out of Puget Sound not

2670
01:50:07,259 --> 01:50:04,539
only flying around but but actually

2671
01:50:09,869 --> 01:50:07,269
entering the water as well I just wanted

2672
01:50:10,489 --> 01:50:09,879
to mention as an aside now obviously we

2673
01:50:12,979 --> 01:50:10,499
have Roz

2674
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well right after that and we don't even

2675
01:50:16,399 --> 01:50:15,030
want to go into that can of worms we

2676
01:50:18,469 --> 01:50:16,409
don't have enough time because we've got

2677
01:50:20,660 --> 01:50:18,479
a lot of interesting material in your

2678
01:50:23,540 --> 01:50:20,670
book to cover here and we're also

2679
01:50:25,729 --> 01:50:23,550
covered Roswell to death

2680
01:50:29,180 --> 01:50:25,739
I don't believe Roswell happened and I

2681
01:50:31,879 --> 01:50:29,190
say that in the book let's hear about

2682
01:50:33,379 --> 01:50:31,889
this why do you feel that Roswell never

2683
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:33,389
happened okay here's the can of worms

2684
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folks okay well once again you kind of

2685
01:50:39,799 --> 01:50:38,159
have to look at that numbers okay and

2686
01:50:41,899 --> 01:50:39,809
the numbers would be that you know first

2687
01:50:44,419 --> 01:50:41,909
we have the story about you know the

2688
01:50:46,819 --> 01:50:44,429
crash debris is found and then if you

2689
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,829
see the crash debris and in the

2690
01:50:50,509 --> 01:50:48,719
photographs were taken I mean a good

2691
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:50,519
case can be made that it was you know

2692
01:50:55,129 --> 01:50:53,489
part of this kind this this spy balloon

2693
01:50:57,950 --> 01:50:55,139
that the Air Force was a balloon train

2694
01:50:59,779 --> 01:50:57,960
yeah yeah right and and sure it was a

2695
01:51:01,850 --> 01:50:59,789
cover-up yes there was a cover-up but it

2696
01:51:03,290 --> 01:51:01,860
wasn't a cover-up because a UFO crash it

2697
01:51:06,469 --> 01:51:03,300
was a cover-up because they want to keep

2698
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:06,479
this spy balloon program under wraps and

2699
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then it seems to have taken a life of

2700
01:51:11,930 --> 01:51:10,619
its own when I was young and I would I

2701
01:51:13,580 --> 01:51:11,940
would read UFO books there was no

2702
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:13,590
mention of Roswell in any of these books

2703
01:51:17,870 --> 01:51:15,449
but it just kind of came back to life in

2704
01:51:20,689 --> 01:51:17,880
the late 70s or early 80s and then all

2705
01:51:23,569 --> 01:51:20,699
the signs monster right and and and now

2706
01:51:25,850 --> 01:51:23,579
there's five year cryo ufos were found

2707
01:51:28,370 --> 01:51:25,860
and alien bodies everywhere and so on

2708
01:51:30,290 --> 01:51:28,380
total crash sites yeah you cannot you

2709
01:51:33,020 --> 01:51:30,300
you know be is this just a were brought

2710
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:33,030
down by radar Mac don't forget that they

2711
01:51:37,609 --> 01:51:35,760
were brought down by radar it is just

2712
01:51:40,399 --> 01:51:37,619
too many move as I say too many moving

2713
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:40,409
parts for this to be real you know once

2714
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,610
again I don't want to disparage the

2715
01:51:45,649 --> 01:51:43,199
people who've spent a lot of time

2716
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,659
researching this but just in the stuff

2717
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:48,239
that I read I just don't I don't think

2718
01:51:51,770 --> 01:51:50,130
it happened good there you go gene okay

2719
01:51:54,020 --> 01:51:51,780
well now we're gonna see those letters

2720
01:51:55,729 --> 01:51:54,030
in our forum saying what's he talking

2721
01:51:57,649 --> 01:51:55,739
about I know a few people who have

2722
01:51:59,839 --> 01:51:57,659
obviously explored very extensively

2723
01:52:03,049 --> 01:51:59,849
Roswell have been on the show also the

2724
01:52:04,609 --> 01:52:03,059
Aztec case I assume the Aztec case in

2725
01:52:06,580 --> 01:52:04,619
Aztec New Mexico you don't think that

2726
01:52:09,529 --> 01:52:06,590
happened either yet I didn't look very

2727
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:09,539
deeply into that but I probably

2728
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:11,840
shouldn't comment about that husband

2729
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:14,729
Dean you're bad you're a bad

2730
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:16,800
Mac is you know he's done a really good

2731
01:52:21,229 --> 01:52:18,719
job Mac I I you know I've looked through

2732
01:52:23,470 --> 01:52:21,239
the book extensively and you did this is

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01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:23,480
a really good resource for

2734
01:52:29,290 --> 01:52:27,110
someone that's interested in you know a

2735
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:29,300
more objective way of looking at the

2736
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:31,760
history of the UFO phenomenon and you're

2737
01:52:36,460 --> 01:52:33,440
right there does seem to be a

2738
01:52:39,460 --> 01:52:36,470
correlation with hostilities amongst

2739
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:39,470
humans you know if you pattern and look

2740
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:42,890
at the waves of activity they tend to

2741
01:52:47,410 --> 01:52:45,170
occur right around the points where

2742
01:52:50,890 --> 01:52:47,420
we're getting ready to go to war and

2743
01:52:52,810 --> 01:52:50,900
right then it's kind of a a band flow a

2744
01:52:54,729 --> 01:52:52,820
little bit through that period but then

2745
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:54,739
there's a real increase as soon as we're

2746
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:57,760
done with conflict and if you do a

2747
01:53:02,770 --> 01:53:00,320
correlation between the waves of UFO

2748
01:53:04,630 --> 01:53:02,780
sightings and when we're moving masses

2749
01:53:06,220 --> 01:53:04,640
amounts of armed men around the planet

2750
01:53:08,440 --> 01:53:06,230
you'll find an interesting correlation

2751
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:08,450
that's something that I wanted to point

2752
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:10,970
out before we we move forward we did

2753
01:53:15,550 --> 01:53:13,489
talk briefly about the Vietnam War there

2754
01:53:17,290 --> 01:53:15,560
are a lot of interesting reports that

2755
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:17,300
you hear about but you don't see good

2756
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:20,510
documentation of concerning Vietnam what

2757
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:23,930
about Vietnam Korea is a whole nother

2758
01:53:28,979 --> 01:53:26,480
thing that I don't think enough people

2759
01:53:31,810 --> 01:53:28,989
have really looked into the amount of

2760
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:31,820
potential sightings in the during the

2761
01:53:35,380 --> 01:53:32,530
Korean War

2762
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,390
are there any yes there were I mean the

2763
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:37,280
Korean War was actually pivotable and

2764
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:40,010
pivotal in this and Richard Haines is

2765
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:41,690
the guy who really brought this to light

2766
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:43,610
you know that the Air Force had closed

2767
01:53:49,150 --> 01:53:46,489
down all their UFO investigated units by

2768
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:49,160
the time right before the Korean War

2769
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started and they just wanted to

2770
01:53:56,500 --> 01:53:53,440
basically be out of the business of

2771
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:56,510
investigating UFOs and that the famous

2772
01:54:02,620 --> 01:53:59,840
quote by one journal said after the 80 I

2773
01:54:04,180 --> 01:54:02,630
see we've revised its its findings and

2774
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:04,190
said that you know there really wasn't

2775
01:54:08,440 --> 01:54:06,010
anything to UFOs the famous quote is

2776
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:08,450
some general said behind nearly every

2777
01:54:12,940 --> 01:54:10,970
UFO report stands a crackpot a religious

2778
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:12,950
crank up publicity hunt or a malicious

2779
01:54:19,150 --> 01:54:16,130
joke okay and that was the Air Force's

2780
01:54:20,890 --> 01:54:19,160
stated opinion on it and they wanted to

2781
01:54:23,170 --> 01:54:20,900
be their last opinion on it their last

2782
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:23,180
name time but now six months after this

2783
01:54:27,790 --> 01:54:25,250
statement my career starts and all of a

2784
01:54:30,190 --> 01:54:27,800
sudden what you have is lots of jet

2785
01:54:32,380 --> 01:54:30,200
fighters flying over Korea Korea's only

2786
01:54:34,630 --> 01:54:32,390
about that's one-third the size of Texas

2787
01:54:36,970 --> 01:54:34,640
you have not only do you have a lot of

2788
01:54:37,419 --> 01:54:36,980
raid out on the ground and on ships but

2789
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:37,429
now you

2790
01:54:44,199 --> 01:54:40,570
radar on airplanes themselves and

2791
01:54:46,660 --> 01:54:44,209
high-speed aircraft so so you have many

2792
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:46,670
human eyes seeing these things but also

2793
01:54:50,729 --> 01:54:48,530
electronic eyes and and there are a

2794
01:54:54,939 --> 01:54:50,739
number of instances in the book where

2795
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military pilots came upon huge UFOs over

2796
01:55:00,759 --> 01:54:57,650
Korea in the midst of battle there were

2797
01:55:03,310 --> 01:55:00,769
also several more instances where where

2798
01:55:04,810 --> 01:55:03,320
UFOs work with circle of the fleet and

2799
01:55:06,969 --> 01:55:04,820
and people would think that there were

2800
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Meg's you know setting up an attack and

2801
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yet yet these things would circle over

2802
01:55:15,279 --> 01:55:12,920
aircraft carriers four eight nine ten

2803
01:55:17,020 --> 01:55:15,289
hours at a time they would send planes

2804
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up to get them but they were always just

2805
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a little bit beyond the visual range

2806
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always hiding in the clouds on radar but

2807
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they would never seen and what happened

2808
01:55:28,209 --> 01:55:26,300
was and Richard Haines told me this and

2809
01:55:29,979 --> 01:55:28,219
I agree with them you have to explain

2810
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what happened what Richard Haines told

2811
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you in our next segment with Mack

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UFOs and wartime Mac Maloney you were

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about to quote something from our friend

2919
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Richard heinous please what he told me

2920
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was and I agree with them is that he

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believes that there were so many UFO

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incidents in Korea that that's what

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really compelled view the eff was to

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reopen the investigation and to start

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blue book you know the Air Force refused

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to give any comment at all about UFO

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sightings in Korea they they would make

2928
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up excuses for what pilots saw to fit

2929
02:00:51,890 --> 02:00:48,900
the idea that well you know if something

2930
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:51,900
is flying on inside a b-29 for ten

2931
02:00:54,230 --> 02:00:52,410
minutes

2932
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:54,240
pacing it well we're gonna have to call

2933
02:01:00,020 --> 02:00:56,970
that a communist flare if the Navy

2934
02:01:01,130 --> 02:01:00,030
fighter saw a huge object flying at 800

2935
02:01:03,590 --> 02:01:01,140
miles an hour we're gonna have to call

2936
02:01:06,140 --> 02:01:03,600
that an enemy balloon they make up these

2937
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:06,150
ludicrous yo excuses for what their

2938
02:01:09,380 --> 02:01:07,830
pilots were seeing because they couldn't

2939
02:01:12,530 --> 02:01:09,390
say their pilots were cranks or

2940
02:01:13,820 --> 02:01:12,540
crackpots but he thinks and I again I

2941
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:13,830
agree with them that behind the scenes

2942
02:01:17,990 --> 02:01:15,450
they said we better reopen this and

2943
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:18,000
that's how blue book came about so Korea

2944
02:01:22,730 --> 02:01:19,770
is really a pivotal point in this whole

2945
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:22,740
UFO story any more questions by the way

2946
02:01:28,190 --> 02:01:25,650
Chris except for Vietnam which we'll get

2947
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:28,200
to later we'll get to later yeah let me

2948
02:01:32,150 --> 02:01:30,210
just ask about the Roosevelt because

2949
02:01:34,460 --> 02:01:32,160
this this would be a good place Mac to

2950
02:01:38,780 --> 02:01:34,470
start talking about the FDR all right so

2951
02:01:41,660 --> 02:01:38,790
we're moving from World War two into the

2952
02:01:44,150 --> 02:01:41,670
50s and later on what other conflicts do

2953
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:44,160
we find large portions of UFO sightings

2954
02:01:49,070 --> 02:01:47,370
in Vietnam of course Vietnam and well

2955
02:01:51,530 --> 02:01:49,080
the the interesting thing about the

2956
02:01:53,450 --> 02:01:51,540
fifties is that that was the era of the

2957
02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:53,460
Cold War and and as you were saying

2958
02:01:58,220 --> 02:01:56,040
earlier it's it's not just that a lot of

2959
02:02:00,380 --> 02:01:58,230
UFO sightings take place during whoa but

2960
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:00,390
it seems like they are watching us as

2961
02:02:05,150 --> 02:02:03,030
we're preparing for war and a case could

2962
02:02:07,850 --> 02:02:05,160
be made that the entire Cold War and the

2963
02:02:09,710 --> 02:02:07,860
entire 50s was made up of us preparing

2964
02:02:12,260 --> 02:02:09,720
to go to war with Russia the story about

2965
02:02:14,300 --> 02:02:12,270
the FBI the USS franklin delano

2966
02:02:15,710 --> 02:02:14,310
roosevelt his interest the aircraft

2967
02:02:17,900 --> 02:02:15,720
carrier it was an aircraft carrier it

2968
02:02:19,820 --> 02:02:17,910
was commissioned right after world war

2969
02:02:21,830 --> 02:02:19,830
ii ended it was one of the first

2970
02:02:23,810 --> 02:02:21,840
aircraft carriers to have jet aircraft

2971
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:23,820
land on it it was also one of the first

2972
02:02:28,620 --> 02:02:26,410
Navy aircraft carriers to have nuclear

2973
02:02:31,470 --> 02:02:28,630
Pinzon and for some reason over the next

2974
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:31,480
20 years or so it UFOs does really only

2975
02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:33,370
good word to describe it as it they

2976
02:02:38,850 --> 02:02:36,190
haunted the FDA they would there were at

2977
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:38,860
least six different cases where UFOs

2978
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:41,050
showed up over the FBI the first one was

2979
02:02:47,070 --> 02:02:44,290
they were doing NATO exercises in in the

2980
02:02:48,570 --> 02:02:47,080
North Sea in 1952 someone took it there

2981
02:02:50,550 --> 02:02:48,580
was it you haven't be a photojournalist

2982
02:02:53,820 --> 02:02:50,560
on the FBI at the time he took a picture

2983
02:02:56,160 --> 02:02:53,830
of UFO going overhead there were

2984
02:02:59,400 --> 02:02:56,170
hundreds of ships taking part in this

2985
02:03:00,960 --> 02:02:59,410
NATO exercise and hundreds of crew men

2986
02:03:04,410 --> 02:03:00,970
on these ships from various countries

2987
02:03:06,270 --> 02:03:04,420
saw UFOs UFOs were seen over England air

2988
02:03:08,670 --> 02:03:06,280
bases that British air bases at the time

2989
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:08,680
Danish air bases at the time Swedish air

2990
02:03:13,710 --> 02:03:11,290
bases at the time and for some reason

2991
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:13,720
they all seem to be keying in on the FDR

2992
02:03:17,940 --> 02:03:15,970
so then you flash-forward if you know a

2993
02:03:20,460 --> 02:03:17,950
few years the FDR is it had been

2994
02:03:22,260 --> 02:03:20,470
refitted in Washington was was going to

2995
02:03:24,420 --> 02:03:22,270
it's new home base in Florida and it

2996
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:24,430
went around the bottom of South America

2997
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:26,890
stopped in Rio de Janeiro for a goodwill

2998
02:03:32,940 --> 02:03:30,250
visit it's anchored there to a UFO show

2999
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:32,950
up lots of people on the on the aircraft

3000
02:03:39,300 --> 02:03:36,000
carrier saw them very vivid very

3001
02:03:41,730 --> 02:03:39,310
described as being bright circular Sasa

3002
02:03:43,980 --> 02:03:41,740
shaped could see portals and them and

3003
02:03:47,070 --> 02:03:43,990
then they disappeared few years later

3004
02:03:48,180 --> 02:03:47,080
the FBI was in Guantanamo Bay the famous

3005
02:03:52,020 --> 02:03:48,190
Gitmo

3006
02:03:54,180 --> 02:03:52,030
it was anchored there UFO showed up hung

3007
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:54,190
over the aircraft carrier for ten

3008
02:03:57,930 --> 02:03:56,530
minutes people could see not only

3009
02:04:00,330 --> 02:03:57,940
portholes but they could see people

3010
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:00,340
looking out of the portholes at them and

3011
02:04:06,570 --> 02:04:03,280
then the UFO took off the next day the

3012
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:06,580
CIA came aboard the FDR and talked to

3013
02:04:11,340 --> 02:04:09,010
everyone who had seen UFO and their

3014
02:04:13,380 --> 02:04:11,350
excuse was they claimed they were on the

3015
02:04:15,060 --> 02:04:13,390
aircraft carrier investigating illegal

3016
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:15,070
gambling if you could imagine the CIA

3017
02:04:19,620 --> 02:04:17,530
trying to investigate illegal gambling

3018
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:19,630
on a navy ship but that was just their

3019
02:04:23,070 --> 02:04:21,130
excuse they talked to crew members it

3020
02:04:24,090 --> 02:04:23,080
saw it and then told everyone don't ever

3021
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:24,100
talk about this again

3022
02:04:28,980 --> 02:04:26,320
flash-forward to the early 60s the FDR

3023
02:04:31,170 --> 02:04:28,990
is now in the Mediterranean a UFO was

3024
02:04:33,510 --> 02:04:31,180
seen picked up on radar heading right to

3025
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:33,520
it and at high speed they launched a

3026
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:35,440
couple f4 phantom fighters which were

3027
02:04:39,300 --> 02:04:37,690
like the new airplane at the time they

3028
02:04:40,230 --> 02:04:39,310
get to the intercept point the UFO

3029
02:04:42,060 --> 02:04:40,240
disappears

3030
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:42,070
the fighters land back on the ship next

3031
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:44,170
thing I know the UFO is right over the

3032
02:04:49,740 --> 02:04:47,110
FBI and it stays there for a long time

3033
02:04:52,410 --> 02:04:49,750
until it finally disappears the captain

3034
02:04:54,750 --> 02:04:52,420
of the ship told everyone who saw it and

3035
02:04:56,340 --> 02:04:54,760
everyone who saw it on radar in with

3036
02:04:58,320 --> 02:04:56,350
their own eyes just don't say anything

3037
02:05:00,690 --> 02:04:58,330
about this again the FBI then was

3038
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:00,700
decommissioned later on and one UFO

3039
02:05:03,900 --> 02:05:02,410
investigators went back in to their

3040
02:05:06,660 --> 02:05:03,910
records they found that any mention of

3041
02:05:08,100 --> 02:05:06,670
UFOs were wiped clean it's really an

3042
02:05:09,090 --> 02:05:08,110
interesting case that you would have one

3043
02:05:11,010 --> 02:05:09,100
shift that Europe Falls

3044
02:05:12,930 --> 02:05:11,020
kind of keyed in on and the only

3045
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:12,940
explanation is maybe is because it was

3046
02:05:16,650 --> 02:05:15,010
the first Navy aircraft carrier to carry

3047
02:05:18,750 --> 02:05:16,660
a nuclear weapon it shows again the

3048
02:05:21,330 --> 02:05:18,760
obsession with UFOs on our nuclear

3049
02:05:23,190 --> 02:05:21,340
testing Chris yeah good job researching

3050
02:05:26,910 --> 02:05:23,200
that one then let's move into the late

3051
02:05:28,620 --> 02:05:26,920
late 50s the gander incident a very very

3052
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:28,630
intriguing case you do a good job of

3053
02:05:32,460 --> 02:05:30,370
giving a nice little summary of that

3054
02:05:34,770 --> 02:05:32,470
case won't we talk about that particular

3055
02:05:38,450 --> 02:05:34,780
encounter again that's an amazing case

3056
02:05:40,110 --> 02:05:38,460
what we have is a super constellation

3057
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:40,120
military version of a super

3058
02:05:46,530 --> 02:05:43,330
constellation airliner being flown by

3059
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:46,540
the Navy they're flying back from Europe

3060
02:05:50,190 --> 02:05:48,970
with cruise that I better have done the

3061
02:05:52,170 --> 02:05:50,200
hitch and now they're coming back to the

3062
02:05:55,230 --> 02:05:52,180
u.s. they are flying along they're there

3063
02:05:59,580 --> 02:05:55,240
about an hour outside of Newfoundland

3064
02:06:01,800 --> 02:05:59,590
when the crew sees lights below them and

3065
02:06:03,930 --> 02:06:01,810
the first thing they think of is that

3066
02:06:05,490 --> 02:06:03,940
we're off course we're actually overland

3067
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:05,500
and we're looking down on a town or a

3068
02:06:08,910 --> 02:06:06,970
village but then they check their

3069
02:06:11,130 --> 02:06:08,920
position and they realize no there's

3070
02:06:12,930 --> 02:06:11,140
still over the ocean so as it turns out

3071
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:12,940
there were a number of air crews on the

3072
02:06:16,710 --> 02:06:14,800
airplane making the flight so they they

3073
02:06:18,270 --> 02:06:16,720
brought all these pilots up into the

3074
02:06:20,850 --> 02:06:18,280
cockpit and they're all looking down on

3075
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:20,860
this these lights suddenly a ring of

3076
02:06:23,790 --> 02:06:21,280
lights

3077
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:23,800
comes up at them and they realize this

3078
02:06:28,380 --> 02:06:25,930
is an object that is speeding up at them

3079
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:28,390
at incredible speed there's almost a

3080
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:30,970
collision the pilot just barely is able

3081
02:06:33,390 --> 02:06:32,320
to maneuver out of the way of this thing

3082
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:33,400
and the next thing you know there's this

3083
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:36,130
gigantic object flying off their left

3084
02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:39,130
wing everybody sorry it stayed there for

3085
02:06:42,930 --> 02:06:40,540
a little while and then it took off at

3086
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:42,940
high speed so everyone on the airplane

3087
02:06:46,860 --> 02:06:44,530
is shake and they finally landed at

3088
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:46,870
Gander there's Air Force intelligence

3089
02:06:50,370 --> 02:06:48,850
people there to debrief them they take

3090
02:06:52,290 --> 02:06:50,380
everyone's statement and once again they

3091
02:06:53,290 --> 02:06:52,300
tell everyone don't say anything about

3092
02:06:55,630 --> 02:06:53,300
this the

3093
02:06:57,400 --> 02:06:55,640
plain itself finally completes its

3094
02:07:00,310 --> 02:06:57,410
flight and it gets down to Pax River in

3095
02:07:01,630 --> 02:07:00,320
Maryland and the pilot later on is where

3096
02:07:04,300 --> 02:07:01,640
the attire where Navy intelligence

3097
02:07:07,530 --> 02:07:04,310
people talk to them later on the pilot

3098
02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:07,540
it was contacted by a US government

3099
02:07:11,740 --> 02:07:10,250
scientist who said can I speak to you

3100
02:07:12,970 --> 02:07:11,750
and the Navy gave him permission to

3101
02:07:15,220 --> 02:07:12,980
speak to the scientists and the

3102
02:07:16,690 --> 02:07:15,230
scientists basically wanted to know you

3103
02:07:18,070 --> 02:07:16,700
know what happened in the pilot told him

3104
02:07:20,890 --> 02:07:18,080
and then at the end of this interview

3105
02:07:23,380 --> 02:07:20,900
the scientist pulls out a portfolio of

3106
02:07:26,290 --> 02:07:23,390
photographs and they're all photographs

3107
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:26,300
of different kinds of UFOs and he says

3108
02:07:31,690 --> 02:07:28,970
tell me what shape you saw and in this

3109
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:31,700
portfolio there was one photograph of

3110
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:33,290
exactly what the people on that airplane

3111
02:07:37,690 --> 02:07:35,690
saw and he said that's it that's what we

3112
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:37,700
saw and then he demanded the scientists

3113
02:07:40,570 --> 02:07:38,690
telling him where did you get these

3114
02:07:42,460 --> 02:07:40,580
photographs and and the scientists would

3115
02:07:44,860 --> 02:07:42,470
not answer him packed up the portfolio

3116
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:44,870
and left and the pilot was you know he's

3117
02:07:48,970 --> 02:07:47,090
a very experienced Navy pilot and he was

3118
02:07:51,100 --> 02:07:48,980
left with this impression the government

3119
02:07:52,930 --> 02:07:51,110
must know something about this because I

3120
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:52,940
just saw a whole pack of photographs

3121
02:07:57,940 --> 02:07:55,040
that are in their possession let's

3122
02:08:00,190 --> 02:07:57,950
remind our listeners Mac this event

3123
02:08:04,450 --> 02:08:00,200
occurred in very early I think February

3124
02:08:06,660 --> 02:08:04,460
of 56 if I if I remember and so you're

3125
02:08:10,420 --> 02:08:06,670
talking about an interesting time period

3126
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:10,430
in the late mid to late 50s where where

3127
02:08:15,370 --> 02:08:12,650
the UFO phenomenon kind of took on a

3128
02:08:17,380 --> 02:08:15,380
different sort of veneer speaking of

3129
02:08:18,940 --> 02:08:17,390
veneers and speaking of the Vietnam War

3130
02:08:21,160 --> 02:08:18,950
which is what we're going to get into

3131
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next in terms of UFO sightings you're

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3224
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3234
02:13:00,299 --> 02:12:58,030
a couple of more segments suspend with

3235
02:13:03,540 --> 02:13:00,309
Mack baloney the book is called UFOs in

3236
02:13:05,279 --> 02:13:03,550
wartime and we're covering the wars we

3237
02:13:08,339 --> 02:13:05,289
only have a short amount of time left

3238
02:13:11,549 --> 02:13:08,349
let's go to the Vietnam War

3239
02:13:14,399 --> 02:13:11,559
a couple of highlights please yeah well

3240
02:13:16,770 --> 02:13:14,409
we have a question Jean from Ward and he

3241
02:13:18,959 --> 02:13:16,780
said I heard a long time ago that in

3242
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:18,969
Vietnam the Vietcong never had any

3243
02:13:24,299 --> 02:13:21,730
helicopters so when the term enemy

3244
02:13:26,580 --> 02:13:24,309
helicopters was used during that time

3245
02:13:29,100 --> 02:13:26,590
period it was really a code word for

3246
02:13:34,049 --> 02:13:29,110
UFOs have Mac have you ever heard

3247
02:13:37,020 --> 02:13:34,059
anything about that yes he's right the

3248
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:37,030
not Vietnamese in the Vietcong never

3249
02:13:41,370 --> 02:13:39,280
flew helicopters during the Vietnam War

3250
02:13:44,250 --> 02:13:41,380
or at least they didn't fly any

3251
02:13:46,410 --> 02:13:44,260
helicopters below of the DMZ which was

3252
02:13:48,779 --> 02:13:46,420
the demarcation line between South

3253
02:13:51,390 --> 02:13:48,789
Vietnam and South Vietnam so what would

3254
02:13:54,419 --> 02:13:51,400
happen is just like back in the World

3255
02:13:56,850 --> 02:13:54,429
War two where you know unidentified

3256
02:13:58,890 --> 02:13:56,860
aerial objects were seen and they they

3257
02:13:59,819 --> 02:13:58,900
were just called misguided rockets and

3258
02:14:02,100 --> 02:13:59,829
things of that nature

3259
02:14:04,979 --> 02:14:02,110
in Vietnam the code word was enemy

3260
02:14:07,410 --> 02:14:04,989
helicopters but as he says there were no

3261
02:14:10,319 --> 02:14:07,420
enemy helicopters and probably the best

3262
02:14:11,850 --> 02:14:10,329
episode that we can talk about having to

3263
02:14:14,790 --> 02:14:11,860
do with this it was is the whole bot

3264
02:14:16,319 --> 02:14:14,800
incident I'm not sure how many people

3265
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:16,329
know about this but basically what

3266
02:14:23,489 --> 02:14:20,130
happened was in in in the summer of 1968

3267
02:14:26,220 --> 02:14:23,499
there were a lot of US troops right up

3268
02:14:28,500 --> 02:14:26,230
on the DMZ looking across the DMZ into

3269
02:14:31,049 --> 02:14:28,510
virtually into North Vietnam and and

3270
02:14:34,979 --> 02:14:31,059
they started seeing strange lights in

3271
02:14:36,359 --> 02:14:34,989
the sky they the the code word was

3272
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:36,369
instituted again

3273
02:14:40,589 --> 02:14:39,010
you know enemy helicopters but of course

3274
02:14:42,270 --> 02:14:40,599
the US military knew they weren't enemy

3275
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:42,280
helicopters so they rushed a lot of

3276
02:14:48,209 --> 02:14:45,280
anti-aircraft missiles radar and

3277
02:14:50,339 --> 02:14:48,219
and in jets up to the northern type of

3278
02:14:53,910 --> 02:14:50,349
South Vietnam during this time period

3279
02:14:56,160 --> 02:14:53,920
and what happened was the next night are

3280
02:14:57,149 --> 02:14:56,170
a few nights later these strange lights

3281
02:15:01,680 --> 02:14:57,159
were seen again

3282
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:01,690
and they scrambled f4 phantoms and went

3283
02:15:06,419 --> 02:15:04,090
up to chase these lights and at the same

3284
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:06,429
time because of this kind of high

3285
02:15:12,060 --> 02:15:09,520
tension at the time the US military had

3286
02:15:14,220 --> 02:15:12,070
asked for all available warships to

3287
02:15:16,799 --> 02:15:14,230
patrol right off the coast of the DMZ

3288
02:15:20,010 --> 02:15:16,809
and that included some of our allies and

3289
02:15:24,029 --> 02:15:20,020
that included this Australian destroyer

3290
02:15:25,890 --> 02:15:24,039
called the HMAS Hobart so so now what we

3291
02:15:27,660 --> 02:15:25,900
have is we have f4 phantoms flying

3292
02:15:28,950 --> 02:15:27,670
around at night chasing these strange

3293
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:28,960
lights that no one knows what they are

3294
02:15:33,330 --> 02:15:31,690
the strange lights fly over the DMZ and

3295
02:15:37,439 --> 02:15:33,340
then go out over the Gulf of Tonkin and

3296
02:15:42,419 --> 02:15:37,449
at some point during that time period

3297
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:42,429
the f4 phantom shot at these lights the

3298
02:15:48,990 --> 02:15:45,280
tragic thing was was that what happened

3299
02:15:50,819 --> 02:15:49,000
was the Edea missiles didn't hit the

3300
02:15:53,189 --> 02:15:50,829
lights they hit the Hobart and they

3301
02:15:55,620 --> 02:15:53,199
killed three Australian soldiers the ho

3302
02:15:57,330 --> 02:15:55,630
bot started firing back at the f-4s and

3303
02:15:59,790 --> 02:15:57,340
no one knew what was going on really

3304
02:16:01,919 --> 02:15:59,800
until the next morning and then he

3305
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:01,929
realized that that in shooting up the

3306
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:05,440
strange lights the enemy helicopters the

3307
02:16:11,609 --> 02:16:08,650
f4 phantoms had actually unknowingly

3308
02:16:15,450 --> 02:16:11,619
attacked this this Australian destroyer

3309
02:16:17,279 --> 02:16:15,460
and killed three sailors the the and

3310
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:17,289
wounded a lot of them and the US

3311
02:16:20,430 --> 02:16:18,880
military took a lot of the wounded off

3312
02:16:23,100 --> 02:16:20,440
of the story I brought them to Vietnam

3313
02:16:24,899 --> 02:16:23,110
and treated them and and they in the

3314
02:16:28,350 --> 02:16:24,909
destroyer was a mess it was it had been

3315
02:16:30,419 --> 02:16:28,360
hit by at least three rockets and it had

3316
02:16:33,719 --> 02:16:30,429
to retire and went back to Australia to

3317
02:16:38,099 --> 02:16:33,729
be refitted years later it was actually

3318
02:16:40,980 --> 02:16:38,109
sunk to be a an artificial reef but

3319
02:16:43,500 --> 02:16:40,990
really kind of a tragic story and it all

3320
02:16:45,929 --> 02:16:43,510
had to do with with the one night us

3321
02:16:48,450 --> 02:16:45,939
fighters chasing UFOs over the DMZ

3322
02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:48,460
military intelligence Mac it's an

3323
02:16:52,740 --> 02:16:51,490
oxymoron yeah that's for sure well do

3324
02:16:55,379 --> 02:16:52,750
you think that there's something to that

3325
02:16:58,640 --> 02:16:55,389
case do you think possibly the telemetry

3326
02:17:01,460 --> 02:16:58,650
or the targeting data or

3327
02:17:04,250 --> 02:17:01,470
teens with the air-to-air rockets were

3328
02:17:06,560 --> 02:17:04,260
somehow manipulated by these objects to

3329
02:17:08,780 --> 02:17:06,570
attack the Hobart well you know there's

3330
02:17:12,050 --> 02:17:08,790
you make a good point because it's it's

3331
02:17:15,291 --> 02:17:12,060
very hard for a idiot right there was

3332
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:15,301
there were Sidewinder missiles and it

3333
02:17:20,390 --> 02:17:17,490
would be very hard for them to hit a

3334
02:17:23,900 --> 02:17:20,400
ship frankly you're flying at least a

3335
02:17:27,371 --> 02:17:23,910
couple miles in altitude you're firing

3336
02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:27,381
in a specific target and after a while

3337
02:17:33,050 --> 02:17:30,690
the Sidewinder if it doesn't find its

3338
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:33,060
target it it runs up chances are it's

3339
02:17:36,500 --> 02:17:35,010
gonna find you before it finds a ship

3340
02:17:38,570 --> 02:17:36,510
all the way down on the deck you know

3341
02:17:41,210 --> 02:17:38,580
right I I just bring that up because

3342
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:41,220
there is there is a curious element

3343
02:17:45,980 --> 02:17:42,810
there and of course you know the gulf of

3344
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:45,990
tonkin brings up another a very curious

3345
02:17:51,140 --> 02:17:48,930
almost paranormal event that got us into

3346
02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:51,150
the Vietnam War which I don't want to

3347
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:53,490
digress we don't have enough time but it

3348
02:17:58,730 --> 02:17:56,160
seems that they're a crucial UFO show up

3349
02:18:01,730 --> 02:17:58,740
at crucial times within the within the

3350
02:18:05,900 --> 02:18:01,740
process and and this may have been a

3351
02:18:07,970 --> 02:18:05,910
shot across our bow in terms of hey you

3352
02:18:10,280 --> 02:18:07,980
try to attack us look what can happen to

3353
02:18:12,081 --> 02:18:10,290
you well I'm just I'm just putting that

3354
02:18:14,140 --> 02:18:12,091
out there um so where do we go from here

3355
02:18:16,640 --> 02:18:14,150
I mean we have a couple of more

3356
02:18:18,590 --> 02:18:16,650
interesting at a time for a couple of

3357
02:18:21,260 --> 02:18:18,600
more interesting Vietnam accounts how

3358
02:18:22,791 --> 02:18:21,270
about the the Vietcong actually having

3359
02:18:24,920 --> 02:18:22,801
the North Vietnamese having their

3360
02:18:29,780 --> 02:18:24,930
problems with UFOs right there was a

3361
02:18:31,730 --> 02:18:29,790
story about a Marine marine patrol went

3362
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:31,740
into there was a there was a notorious

3363
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,330
place in Vietnam called the I drank

3364
02:18:37,940 --> 02:18:35,280
Valley which saw a lot of fighting

3365
02:18:40,340 --> 02:18:37,950
during the Vietnam War I'm sorry the a

3366
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:40,350
shot warning they did hold Mel Gibson

3367
02:18:45,740 --> 02:18:42,870
movie we were soldiers about the first

3368
02:18:47,510 --> 02:18:45,750
battle F so what what the Marines used

3369
02:18:49,880 --> 02:18:47,520
to do is that they would they would go

3370
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:49,890
into this area and they would set up

3371
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:54,210
ambush spots where they knew the Nazis

3372
02:18:57,170 --> 02:18:55,770
was going to come down a certain trail

3373
02:18:59,510 --> 02:18:57,180
whatever and they would try to ambush

3374
02:19:01,041 --> 02:18:59,520
them so on this particular night they

3375
02:19:04,190 --> 02:19:01,051
were Indian they were in their ambush

3376
02:19:06,140 --> 02:19:04,200
mode and no nothing we showed up so

3377
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:06,150
morning came and now the Marines are

3378
02:19:10,130 --> 02:19:07,920
going to go back to their base

3379
02:19:11,630 --> 02:19:10,140
they're going back to the base and they

3380
02:19:12,110 --> 02:19:11,640
come to a clearing and all of a sudden

3381
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:12,120
they see

3382
02:19:18,620 --> 02:19:16,290
a UFO overhead standed flying saucer

3383
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:18,630
very bright there it is right above the

3384
02:19:22,100 --> 02:19:20,610
jungle canopy the Marines are kind of

3385
02:19:23,810 --> 02:19:22,110
mesmerized by it and all of a sudden

3386
02:19:26,480 --> 02:19:23,820
they hear a gunfire and it turns out

3387
02:19:28,340 --> 02:19:26,490
that there were got to me's of Vietnam a

3388
02:19:32,270 --> 02:19:28,350
Viet Cong soldiers nearby and they

3389
02:19:33,709 --> 02:19:32,280
started firing up this thing and you

3390
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:33,719
know and then the so the Marines

3391
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:36,719
basically witnessed this gun battle

3392
02:19:42,530 --> 02:19:40,530
between communist troops and and UFO and

3393
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:42,540
this include there was firing machine

3394
02:19:48,169 --> 02:19:44,880
guns at it rocket-propelled propelled

3395
02:19:50,091 --> 02:19:48,179
grenades the works and eventually you

3396
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:50,101
know the Vietnamese the Communists ran

3397
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:52,050
out of ammunition or whatever but the

3398
02:19:56,360 --> 02:19:54,960
UFO accelerated and took off the Marines

3399
02:19:58,310 --> 02:19:56,370
you know hightailed it back to their

3400
02:20:00,591 --> 02:19:58,320
base they would be briefed of course

3401
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:00,601
their superiors said don't ever mention

3402
02:20:05,690 --> 02:20:03,690
the incident to anybody that's that's

3403
02:20:07,820 --> 02:20:05,700
good research I'd never heard that one

3404
02:20:11,330 --> 02:20:07,830
good job on that one what about this

3405
02:20:15,820 --> 02:20:11,340
really cool incident where we have that

3406
02:20:18,020 --> 02:20:15,830
curious effect of a UFO you know killing

3407
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:18,030
electrical processes and stopping

3408
02:20:22,370 --> 02:20:19,650
machinery that sort of thing there's a

3409
02:20:25,070 --> 02:20:22,380
really good case I think from 66 that

3410
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:25,080
you mentioned about a UFO showing up and

3411
02:20:28,820 --> 02:20:26,640
shutting everything down once you tell

3412
02:20:33,110 --> 02:20:28,830
us about that one real quick right

3413
02:20:35,290 --> 02:20:33,120
what it was was in 1966 as you say there

3414
02:20:38,110 --> 02:20:35,300
was there's a huge base at night rain

3415
02:20:41,630 --> 02:20:38,120
which was about the Midlands of South

3416
02:20:43,640 --> 02:20:41,640
Vietnam right on the coast and one night

3417
02:20:45,470 --> 02:20:43,650
a lot of the soldiers they had gathered

3418
02:20:47,480 --> 02:20:45,480
to watch a movie they had just got an

3419
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:47,490
outdoor generator and now they had

3420
02:20:50,750 --> 02:20:48,960
electricity to write a movie projector

3421
02:20:52,820 --> 02:20:50,760
so there was there was the several

3422
02:20:54,610 --> 02:20:52,830
thousand GIS they're watching a movie

3423
02:20:57,710 --> 02:20:54,620
and another part of the base they were

3424
02:20:59,210 --> 02:20:57,720
skywrite a one Skyraider attack planes

3425
02:21:00,890 --> 02:20:59,220
getting ready to take off and another

3426
02:21:03,380 --> 02:21:00,900
pilot base there were bulldozers so with

3427
02:21:05,150 --> 02:21:03,390
you know bulldozers in a new road and in

3428
02:21:07,130 --> 02:21:05,160
the middle of the night actually halfway

3429
02:21:09,500 --> 02:21:07,140
through this movie this light appeared

3430
02:21:11,301 --> 02:21:09,510
above the base and people thought it was

3431
02:21:13,490 --> 02:21:11,311
flares because that night there would be

3432
02:21:15,740 --> 02:21:13,500
a lot of flare activity between the US

3433
02:21:17,930 --> 02:21:15,750
and fondness forces but this light was

3434
02:21:20,570 --> 02:21:17,940
so bright and came right down on top of

3435
02:21:23,240 --> 02:21:20,580
the base and people didn't know what was

3436
02:21:25,880 --> 02:21:23,250
going on and as this happened all the

3437
02:21:26,270 --> 02:21:25,890
electricity in the base just stopped the

3438
02:21:27,921 --> 02:21:26,280
movie

3439
02:21:30,381 --> 02:21:27,931
check the stuff the airplanes couldn't

3440
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:30,391
take off the bulldozers were stalled at

3441
02:21:35,530 --> 02:21:32,130
the light hung there for quite a while

3442
02:21:38,961 --> 02:21:35,540
and then it disappeared it's probably

3443
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:38,971
the one UFO instance in Vietnam that had

3444
02:21:42,890 --> 02:21:40,650
the largest number of witnesses

3445
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:42,900
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3555
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3558
02:27:00,501 --> 02:26:57,721
so we're running out of wars no we have

3559
02:27:04,611 --> 02:27:00,511
the first Gulf War in the book is UFOs

3560
02:27:06,861 --> 02:27:04,621
in wartime by Mack Maloney with gene and

3561
02:27:09,470 --> 02:27:06,871
Chris and the power cast and there's

3562
02:27:12,621 --> 02:27:09,480
something here which shit's my eye about

3563
02:27:15,231 --> 02:27:12,631
something called the Stargate of course

3564
02:27:18,681 --> 02:27:15,241
fodder for a motion picture a series of

3565
02:27:21,711 --> 02:27:18,691
TV shows Mac what are we talking about

3566
02:27:24,051 --> 02:27:21,721
what about the Stargate and Saddam

3567
02:27:27,111 --> 02:27:24,061
Hussein well this is an interesting

3568
02:27:29,901 --> 02:27:27,121
story that I came upon and and it it it

3569
02:27:33,021 --> 02:27:29,911
really ends the book what happened was

3570
02:27:36,501 --> 02:27:33,031
it's actually two incidents I kept

3571
02:27:40,161 --> 02:27:36,511
coming upon stories that during the

3572
02:27:43,101 --> 02:27:40,171
first Gulf War so in 1991 that us fight

3573
02:27:45,051 --> 02:27:43,111
is shot down a UFO and and the story is

3574
02:27:47,991 --> 02:27:45,061
is basically four f-16s were on their

3575
02:27:51,201 --> 02:27:48,001
way to Baghdad on a bombing mission they

3576
02:27:51,501 --> 02:27:51,211
spotted UFO one flew off in pursuit of

3577
02:27:57,561 --> 02:27:51,511
it

3578
02:27:59,301 --> 02:27:57,571
the UFO dime UFO crashed in the Saudi

3579
02:28:01,821 --> 02:27:59,311
Arabian desert people saw the wreckage

3580
02:28:04,041 --> 02:28:01,831
people also saw the u.s. ami packing it

3581
02:28:06,981 --> 02:28:04,051
up and allegedly shipping it back to the

3582
02:28:09,111 --> 02:28:06,991
US later on between the first Gulf War

3583
02:28:10,731 --> 02:28:09,121
and let's call the Second Gulf War there

3584
02:28:14,001 --> 02:28:10,741
was this war of attrition where the US

3585
02:28:16,101 --> 02:28:14,011
was bombing Saddam Hussein's aircraft

3586
02:28:19,161 --> 02:28:16,111
anti-aircraft batteries there was a

3587
02:28:20,871 --> 02:28:19,171
no-fly zone all over all of Iraq and

3588
02:28:23,751 --> 02:28:20,881
during this time there was another story

3589
02:28:25,521 --> 02:28:23,761
that said that Iraqi forces shot down a

3590
02:28:29,451 --> 02:28:25,531
UFO during this time period and that

3591
02:28:31,521 --> 02:28:29,461
they took the the the remains of UFO and

3592
02:28:34,970 --> 02:28:31,531
maybe the crew back to what was

3593
02:28:37,991 --> 02:28:34,980
basically Iraq's Saddam Hussein's area

3594
02:28:40,131 --> 02:28:38,001
51 and that he had scientists

3595
02:28:43,341 --> 02:28:40,141
reverse-engineer things that they found

3596
02:28:45,470 --> 02:28:43,351
in this UFO now the odd thing is is that

3597
02:28:47,931 --> 02:28:45,480
there are some people who think that

3598
02:28:50,931 --> 02:28:47,941
that was the WMD that we were looking

3599
02:28:52,371 --> 02:28:50,941
for in the second war we didn't find any

3600
02:28:53,931 --> 02:28:52,381
nuclear weapons we didn't find any

3601
02:28:55,581 --> 02:28:53,941
evidence of his chemical weapons and

3602
02:28:57,501 --> 02:28:55,591
there's a lot of evidence to say that

3603
02:28:59,301 --> 02:28:57,511
that those two programs he had closed

3604
02:29:00,981 --> 02:28:59,311
down a long time before so people say

3605
02:29:02,781 --> 02:29:00,991
well why stop this whoa what's the demo

3606
02:29:05,391 --> 02:29:02,791
what do you feel about that gene I don't

3607
02:29:05,921 --> 02:29:05,401
know they never discovered the WMD what

3608
02:29:08,921 --> 02:29:05,931
kind of

3609
02:29:09,611 --> 02:29:08,931
living in that belief so I don't know is

3610
02:29:11,591 --> 02:29:09,621
this it

3611
02:29:13,180 --> 02:29:11,601
that's a good question I don't know

3612
02:29:14,890 --> 02:29:13,190
either I mean you go to war over

3613
02:29:16,930 --> 02:29:14,900
something like that but let's face it

3614
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:16,940
they said they were looking for WMD I

3615
02:29:21,371 --> 02:29:19,280
mean there was no nuclear or chemical if

3616
02:29:24,970 --> 02:29:21,381
the WMD found so what were they looking

3617
02:29:29,171 --> 02:29:24,980
for exactly and that also brings up the

3618
02:29:31,331 --> 02:29:29,181
other wrinkle in this particular story

3619
02:29:33,401 --> 02:29:31,341
that I followed over the years of course

3620
02:29:35,111 --> 02:29:33,411
you know a lot of this stuff's on the

3621
02:29:37,480 --> 02:29:35,121
Internet

3622
02:29:39,491 --> 02:29:37,490
it's very difficult to really track down

3623
02:29:42,331 --> 02:29:39,501
original sources that sort of thing but

3624
02:29:44,350 --> 02:29:42,341
there were also rumors in the more

3625
02:29:47,020 --> 02:29:44,360
fantastic version of the story that

3626
02:29:50,890 --> 02:29:47,030
Saddam Hussein had discovered some sort

3627
02:29:53,711 --> 02:29:50,900
of ancient Stargate there and that that

3628
02:29:56,801 --> 02:29:53,721
was also part of the whole scenario of

3629
02:29:59,501 --> 02:29:56,811
going into Iraq what is your research

3630
02:30:02,020 --> 02:29:59,511
uncovered on that well I didn't really

3631
02:30:04,511 --> 02:30:02,030
come upon a lot of information on that

3632
02:30:07,331 --> 02:30:04,521
but I will say this is as we all know

3633
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:07,341
where Iraq is today is is really the

3634
02:30:11,951 --> 02:30:09,530
cradle of civilization the first city

3635
02:30:13,720 --> 02:30:11,961
was in Iraq is called earth well I

3636
02:30:17,051 --> 02:30:13,730
haven't done very much research on that

3637
02:30:19,241 --> 02:30:17,061
but I think as we all know that that

3638
02:30:20,951 --> 02:30:19,251
where Iraq is today is considered the

3639
02:30:23,201 --> 02:30:20,961
cradle of civilization that's where

3640
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:23,211
civilization morale is more or less

3641
02:30:27,551 --> 02:30:24,650
knotted so if there was gonna be a

3642
02:30:29,651 --> 02:30:27,561
Stargate somewhere it probably would be

3643
02:30:31,571 --> 02:30:29,661
there okay then when we talk about

3644
02:30:33,131 --> 02:30:31,581
Stargate do we think of what we see in

3645
02:30:35,761 --> 02:30:33,141
the movies which is some kind of

3646
02:30:38,381 --> 02:30:35,771
transport device to take you elsewhere

3647
02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:38,391
it would be nice to think of it that way

3648
02:30:42,461 --> 02:30:40,610
I think it would be great if we were to

3649
02:30:43,961 --> 02:30:42,471
come upon some kind of technology like

3650
02:30:46,511 --> 02:30:43,971
that whether it's something left over

3651
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:46,521
from thousands of years ago or something

3652
02:30:51,671 --> 02:30:49,730
that someone could invent now think of

3653
02:30:53,560 --> 02:30:51,681
the possibilities of something like that

3654
02:30:55,690 --> 02:30:53,570
think of what how the human race would

3655
02:30:57,821 --> 02:30:55,700
change so do you think it's possible

3656
02:31:01,211 --> 02:30:57,831
that the Iraqis may have actually

3657
02:31:03,881 --> 02:31:01,221
stumbled on something akin to some kind

3658
02:31:05,770 --> 02:31:03,891
of ancient technology but maybe didn't

3659
02:31:08,051 --> 02:31:05,780
have the time to develop the

3660
02:31:11,921 --> 02:31:08,061
capabilities and do you think that that

3661
02:31:13,810 --> 02:31:11,931
would be a good pretext to go to war of

3662
02:31:17,741 --> 02:31:13,820
course the third of the world's oil is

3663
02:31:19,240 --> 02:31:17,751
also pretty hefty motivation but do you

3664
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:19,250
think there's anything to that

3665
02:31:25,750 --> 02:31:22,970
I have found some interesting

3666
02:31:29,130 --> 02:31:25,760
I don't know equivocal information about

3667
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:29,140
this whole idea this whole concept but

3668
02:31:35,590 --> 02:31:31,610
where do you come down on ancient

3669
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:35,600
technology possibly existing and even

3670
02:31:40,510 --> 02:31:37,610
potentially surviving to the modern age

3671
02:31:41,890 --> 02:31:40,520
that has you know high exalted

3672
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:41,900
capabilities where do you come down on

3673
02:31:47,890 --> 02:31:45,290
that I think it's possible I think that

3674
02:31:49,900 --> 02:31:47,900
there was some kind of a civilization on

3675
02:31:53,500 --> 02:31:49,910
this earth millions and millions of

3676
02:31:55,690 --> 02:31:53,510
years ago and we just can't find it the

3677
02:31:57,400 --> 02:31:55,700
evidence of it is has been wiped clean

3678
02:32:00,280 --> 02:31:57,410
or maybe there wasn't as many people

3679
02:32:02,440 --> 02:32:00,290
involved in it as as there are number of

3680
02:32:03,820 --> 02:32:02,450
people on earth now but yeah I think

3681
02:32:05,650 --> 02:32:03,830
that there's a possibility that

3682
02:32:07,570 --> 02:32:05,660
something like that you know is true

3683
02:32:09,700 --> 02:32:07,580
because there is fleeting glimpses of

3684
02:32:12,040 --> 02:32:09,710
evidence of things like that like I say

3685
02:32:13,690 --> 02:32:12,050
if it's gonna show up anywhere it's

3686
02:32:15,220 --> 02:32:13,700
gonna show up in Mesopotamia because

3687
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:15,230
that's where you know the cradle of

3688
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:16,850
civilization was that's where we all

3689
02:32:22,210 --> 02:32:20,240
came from you know as as modern human

3690
02:32:24,040 --> 02:32:22,220
being so I have my fingers crossed that

3691
02:32:25,900 --> 02:32:24,050
someday someone will find something like

3692
02:32:28,930 --> 02:32:25,910
that because I think a whole new era of

3693
02:32:30,610 --> 02:32:28,940
human civilization would begin well

3694
02:32:34,840 --> 02:32:30,620
we're getting very close from getting

3695
02:32:38,110 --> 02:32:34,850
very close okay so was that the only as

3696
02:32:40,690 --> 02:32:38,120
they say outside possibility for the

3697
02:32:42,820 --> 02:32:40,700
Gulf War and UFOs anything else to

3698
02:32:44,770 --> 02:32:42,830
mention before we close it out there

3699
02:32:47,470 --> 02:32:44,780
were a couple incidents where right

3700
02:32:49,180 --> 02:32:47,480
before the first Gulf War as they were

3701
02:32:51,460 --> 02:32:49,190
getting ready to go to war there was not

3702
02:32:52,540 --> 02:32:51,470
a number of episodes that we bring out

3703
02:32:54,640 --> 02:32:52,550
in the book where people were seeing

3704
02:32:57,780 --> 02:32:54,650
very strange things flying over the area

3705
02:33:02,050 --> 02:32:57,790
over the entire Middle East there were

3706
02:33:04,510 --> 02:33:02,060
reports that US Navy ships fired on a

3707
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:04,520
UFO right before the wall I started you

3708
02:33:07,990 --> 02:33:06,170
know once again it just it just goes

3709
02:33:11,170 --> 02:33:08,000
right to the point where it just seems

3710
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:11,180
that one we're about to go to war or we

3711
02:33:16,180 --> 02:33:13,930
are at war the number of UFO sightings

3712
02:33:19,780 --> 02:33:16,190
spikes and and I think that's

3713
02:33:21,700 --> 02:33:19,790
interesting I'd like to know why but

3714
02:33:24,010 --> 02:33:21,710
that's the whole premise of the book and

3715
02:33:25,690 --> 02:33:24,020
and I think that we present a lot of

3716
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:25,700
evidence to at least get people thinking

3717
02:33:29,140 --> 02:33:28,010
what is going on here where do you take

3718
02:33:32,530 --> 02:33:29,150
it from here you're going to write a

3719
02:33:33,370 --> 02:33:32,540
sequel or do you think this is the best

3720
02:33:35,230 --> 02:33:33,380
effort you

3721
02:33:38,440 --> 02:33:35,240
could put forth in terms of your entry

3722
02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:38,450
into USO investigations yeah I think I

3723
02:33:41,800 --> 02:33:40,250
think this is going to be yet today the

3724
02:33:44,500 --> 02:33:41,810
truth I could change you know that could

3725
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:44,510
change tomorrow but you know we put a

3726
02:33:48,880 --> 02:33:46,610
lot of time into it we we did a lot of

3727
02:33:50,889 --> 02:33:48,890
research and as I say in the book we

3728
02:33:52,660 --> 02:33:50,899
scrape the surface but the thing is is

3729
02:33:54,639 --> 02:33:52,670
that for people to read the book you

3730
02:33:57,160 --> 02:33:54,649
know I urge them to if there's a

3731
02:33:58,480 --> 02:33:57,170
particular episode that really sparks

3732
02:34:00,760 --> 02:33:58,490
your interest go and look at the

3733
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:00,770
research of people like yeah help help

3734
02:34:04,900 --> 02:34:02,570
out you know be part of the solution

3735
02:34:06,940 --> 02:34:04,910
exactly you know and another thing too I

3736
02:34:09,250 --> 02:34:06,950
should say is that you know once again

3737
02:34:11,320 --> 02:34:09,260
I'm a writer I'm more of a reporter I'm

3738
02:34:13,389 --> 02:34:11,330
not a UFO researcher and my hats off to

3739
02:34:14,920 --> 02:34:13,399
people like you and the people that I

3740
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:14,930
talk to because you know the people who

3741
02:34:18,940 --> 02:34:17,210
are keeping this thing going and someday

3742
02:34:20,889 --> 02:34:18,950
it will be solved someday the puzzle

3743
02:34:22,719 --> 02:34:20,899
will be solved and new people will be

3744
02:34:25,870 --> 02:34:22,729
the handle will overwhelm the mystery

3745
02:34:27,190 --> 02:34:25,880
well you you you have kept this going I

3746
02:34:28,750 --> 02:34:27,200
mean there were people years ago who

3747
02:34:30,130 --> 02:34:28,760
said the world was flat and then there

3748
02:34:31,300 --> 02:34:30,140
were people said no it's round and the

3749
02:34:33,820 --> 02:34:31,310
people who said it was round we're right

3750
02:34:36,610 --> 02:34:33,830
but they just stuck to it and and that's

3751
02:34:39,820 --> 02:34:36,620
what I really I really admire people who

3752
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:39,830
like who do this on a daily basis my hat

3753
02:34:45,160 --> 02:34:42,010
is really off to you well thank you yeah

3754
02:34:46,389 --> 02:34:45,170
thanks for Jeanne - cuz I'll tell you

3755
02:34:47,950 --> 02:34:46,399
talk about a guy it's been in the

3756
02:34:50,740 --> 02:34:47,960
trenches for a long time in this whole

3757
02:34:52,750 --> 02:34:50,750
thing right mr. dinosaur I am a dinosaur

3758
02:34:55,900 --> 02:34:52,760
I resemble that remark I've been doing

3759
02:34:58,510 --> 02:34:55,910
it for 81 million years remember a place

3760
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:58,520
called Terra Nova I chased those

3761
02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:00,800
dinosaurs and people say no you're a

3762
02:35:05,139 --> 02:35:03,050
dinosaur and I said I'm not that big you

3763
02:35:06,880 --> 02:35:05,149
know I don't have four arms I'm not one

3764
02:35:08,770 --> 02:35:06,890
of those creatures that bites your neck

3765
02:35:12,010 --> 02:35:08,780
but I could be a vampire

3766
02:35:14,290 --> 02:35:12,020
you never know our listeners where they

3767
02:35:16,210 --> 02:35:14,300
could get more information about what

3768
02:35:18,340 --> 02:35:16,220
you do not just this book but your

3769
02:35:21,490 --> 02:35:18,350
others well they can go to Mac Maloney

3770
02:35:23,290 --> 02:35:21,500
calm it has a list of all the books I've

3771
02:35:25,870 --> 02:35:23,300
done and just other stuff that we've

3772
02:35:27,610 --> 02:35:25,880
done we're working on a site now UFOs

3773
02:35:29,290 --> 02:35:27,620
and one time.com that people will be

3774
02:35:31,420 --> 02:35:29,300
able to go to we're gonna have a lot of

3775
02:35:33,340 --> 02:35:31,430
information there the book comes out

3776
02:35:35,080 --> 02:35:33,350
December 6 they'll be in all bookstores

3777
02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:35,090
everywhere December 6 but you can

3778
02:35:40,840 --> 02:35:39,050
pre-order it on amazon.com and it's it's

3779
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:40,850
gonna be you know in paper but also of

3780
02:35:43,900 --> 02:35:42,890
course you know in digital form if it's

3781
02:35:44,910 --> 02:35:43,910
on digital form

3782
02:35:47,340 --> 02:35:44,920
you know you

3783
02:35:48,719 --> 02:35:47,350
and be part of the future speaking of

3784
02:35:52,170 --> 02:35:48,729
part of the future what have you got

3785
02:35:55,670 --> 02:35:52,180
going on Chris O'Brien well I'm headed

3786
02:35:58,500 --> 02:35:55,680
off to Tennessee for a conference then

3787
02:36:01,200 --> 02:35:58,510
about a month later I'm gonna be off out

3788
02:36:03,660 --> 02:36:01,210
in the Southern California area doing a

3789
02:36:05,610 --> 02:36:03,670
speaking tour there and of course you

3790
02:36:08,910 --> 02:36:05,620
can always catch me at forum dr. Peric

3791
02:36:11,130 --> 02:36:08,920
ascom I also have a website Jean called

3792
02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:11,140
our strange planet my eternal

3793
02:36:14,310 --> 02:36:12,130
work-in-progress

3794
02:36:16,140 --> 02:36:14,320
so neighbors if you have a comment or a

3795
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:16,150
question about the power cast you know

3796
02:36:18,870 --> 02:36:18,250
where to send it news at the power cast

3797
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:18,880
com

3798
02:36:23,610 --> 02:36:20,560
once again that's new is at the power

3799
02:36:25,830 --> 02:36:23,620
cast calm we promise to read each and

3800
02:36:27,540 --> 02:36:25,840
every message Chris and I and we'll try

3801
02:36:29,880 --> 02:36:27,550
to answer most of them and by the way if

3802
02:36:32,340 --> 02:36:29,890
you do want to join our team you have a

3803
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:32,350
background in sales especially online

3804
02:36:38,340 --> 02:36:35,050
sales and broadcast experience as a

3805
02:36:41,550 --> 02:36:38,350
salesperson is a must do write us news

3806
02:36:44,490 --> 02:36:41,560
at the power cast comm once again that's

3807
02:36:46,770 --> 02:36:44,500
news at the power cast comm special

3808
02:36:49,230 --> 02:36:46,780
thank you this week to Mack Maloney Mack

3809
02:37:00,219 --> 02:36:49,240
thanks for joining us this week on the

3810
02:37:06,620 --> 02:37:03,740
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3811
02:37:09,610 --> 02:37:06,630
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3812
02:37:13,370 --> 02:37:09,620
presentation of making the impossible